DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
RateTheRef
HTML https://ratetheref.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: General Discussion
*****************************************************
#Post#: 60220--------------------------------------------------
Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Ref95
Date: February 19, 2023, 8:54 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Not a good showing from Attwell so far, or VAR Tierney for that
matter. Somehow both miss a clear SFP for Sabitzer. Poor
decision to caution Faes too for a great challenge, however once
he decided it was a foul it was a mandatory caution.
Fingers crossed for an improved second half.
#Post#: 60221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: February 19, 2023, 8:59 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Sound like a Leicester fan, caution only would have been
suitable for Sabitzer. Missing the caution was poor from
Attwell.
Clear foul on Fernandes from Faes, however Attwell only gave it
after the appeals.
#Post#: 60222--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Comeonref
Date: February 19, 2023, 9:00 am
---------------------------------------------------------
A suggestion from the tv there was insufficient force for a red.
Personally I disagree. Listening to Graeme Souness. He said it
was the perfect position if you wanted to take someone out and
from my memories of some of his horror challenges in his career
he should know.
#Post#: 60226--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Ref95
Date: February 19, 2023, 9:25 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Sound like a Leicester fan, caution only would have been
suitable for Sabitzer. Missing the caution was poor from
Attwell.
>
> Clear foul on Fernandes from Faes, however Attwell only gave
it after the appeals.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sound like a United fan, not really sure what would be SFP, if a
knee high tackle, studs first, nowhere near the ball, in a
position where there is zero chance he could possibly be going
for the ball. But happy to be enlightened?
#Post#: 60228--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: February 19, 2023, 9:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Ref95 link ---
>
> [quote author=jacksamuel21 link=topic=4576.msg60221#msg60221
date=1676818755]
> Sound like a Leicester fan, caution only would have been
suitable for Sabitzer. Missing the caution was poor from
Attwell.
>
> Clear foul on Fernandes from Faes, however Attwell only gave
it after the appeals.
>
--- End Quote ---
Sound like a United fan, not really sure what would be SFP, if a
knee high tackle, studs first, nowhere near the ball, in a
position where there is zero chance he could possibly be going
for the ball. But happy to be enlightened?
[/quote]
He barely touched him though. Retracted his leg at the right
time. I am certainly not a United fan.
Second Rashford goal looked like it was offside
#Post#: 60229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: dave26
Date: February 19, 2023, 10:04 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I thought Attwell was very good the only negative was the missed
YC for Sabitzer , I too was expecting the second goal to be
chalked off by VAR especially as we’ve seen goals chalked off
for a toe or toenail being offside
#Post#: 60232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Ref95
Date: February 19, 2023, 10:27 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Extremely strange caution for Mendy at the start of the second
half to add to the poor first half, but improved from then on.
Whilst the second goal looked, and was given offside on field. I
have sympathy with both the onfield team and the VAR team here.
They can only do as has been asked and draw lines based on their
own judgement.
But that goal simply must be ruled out, there is absolutely no
evidence to overturn the original decision made by the AR. It is
impossible from a freeze frame at that angle to determine the
exact point the ball was kicked, the exact most forward point of
Rashford and the exact most rear point of the Leicester
defenders. In cases like that, the decision must remain with the
original decision, otherwise there is simply no point in having
assistant referees, we may as well just use VAR for all
offsides.
Would love to hear some views on this, in my opinion there must
be clear evidence of an error by the AR to overturn it, that was
not the case today.
#Post#: 60235--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: ChippenhamCherry
Date: February 19, 2023, 11:15 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Ref95 link ---
>
> It is impossible from a freeze frame at that angle to
determine the exact point the ball was kicked, the exact most
forward point of Rashford and the exact most rear point of the
Leicester defenders.
>
--- End Quote ---
The cameras are synced so a different camera with a clearer view
can be used to determine the point the ball was kicked to the
one being used to draw the lines on the players.
#Post#: 60249--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 19, 2023, 1:51 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Ref95 link ---
>
> Extremely strange caution for Mendy at the start of the second
half to add to the poor first half, but improved from then on.
>
> Whilst the second goal looked, and was given offside on field.
I have sympathy with both the onfield team and the VAR team
here. They can only do as has been asked and draw lines based on
their own judgement.
>
> But that goal simply must be ruled out, there is absolutely no
evidence to overturn the original decision made by the AR. It is
impossible from a freeze frame at that angle to determine the
exact point the ball was kicked, the exact most forward point of
Rashford and the exact most rear point of the Leicester
defenders. In cases like that, the decision must remain with the
original decision, otherwise there is simply no point in having
assistant referees, we may as well just use VAR for all
offsides.
>
> Would love to hear some views on this, in my opinion there
must be clear evidence of an error by the AR to overturn it,
that was not the case today.
>
--- End Quote ---
With regard to offside it is a matter of fact, something all
clubs signed up to, the only time the decision remains with the
on field officials is if there is no camera angle available to
judge ie Liverpool v Wolves f a cup tie earlier this year. ( of
course after last week have to add the proviso that as it is
humans drawing the lines, they have to use the correct last
defender to draw the line from ).
Var is used to check goals, penalty kicks and sfp, so cannot be
used for all offsides, god help us timewise if it was.
#Post#: 60253--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stuart Attwell - Man United vs Leicester
DIR By: Referee99
Date: February 19, 2023, 3:05 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Thought attwell was very inconsistent today in his decision
making. And how this wasn’t given as a red by him or VAR… I will
never know
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 2
DIR Next Page