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Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 17, 2023, 4:30 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=4561.msg60111#msg60111
date=1676671835]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60107#msg60107
date=1676671345]
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4561.msg60106#msg60106
date=1676670813]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60104#msg60104
date=1676668804]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60102#msg60102
date=1676668080]
> The point is, MCPridz, that Mason has made a couple of
unacceptable high profile mistakes that have affected the
outcome of games. He has now been relieved of that role to
mitigate against it happening again. Or would you prefer him to
continue making these errors? Fairly self explanatory I’d have
thought
>
--- End Quote ---
Well no I don't and both high profile errors has been against my
team, I would prefer the points back or in the interest of
fairness at least replayed at the point of the incidents neither
is going to happen so what is the point, considering we are
fighting for the league
[/quote]
But if these errors cost us the league then there is going to be
one almighty uproar personally 1. I don't think we will win the
league and 2. we will lose it by more than 2 points which
wouldn't make a difference anyway
For starters, just because your fighting for the league doesn't
mean your the high and mighty. Secondly, the official in
question had been removes, in a professional sense that's all
that can be done. I echo Craven, fairly self explanatory.
[/quote]
Well if we lose the league by those 2 points which I don't think
we will anyway it will be more there will be 1 mighty uproar if
we did lose it by 2 points
[/quote]
But even if that goal had been disallowed, the game hadn't
finished, so no points had been gained, never mind lost.
[/quote]
So the fairest thing to of done would be to replay the game from
the point of the Brentford free-kick
[/quote]
Cracking idea. Can we do the same for crucial errors in every
other game played this season? I mean, it might even lift my
team off the bottom of the EFL...
#Post#: 60120--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: February 17, 2023, 4:33 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60110#msg60110
date=1676671652]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60105#msg60105
date=1676670390]
> No, his other high profile error was disallowing a Newcastle
goal against Palace. Plenty of teams have suffered this season,
not just Arsenal, this isn’t all about them, as much as you’d
like to think it is
>
--- End Quote ---
No he ruled out Martinelli's goal against Utd which should of
stood as well
[/quote]
Arsenal gifted Man City two of their three goals through
ridiculous defending errors on Wednesday night. What
consequence will there be for the defenders that made those
mistakes, mistakes that ultimately are far more likely to cost
Arsenal the title than any refereeing errors?
[/quote]
Yup agreed on that we did, arguably our biggest game of the
season and we gifted city there goals, but had Mason not made
the error the game before and yes it still could of finished 1-1
without the var error but we would be still 2 points clear had
it finished 1-0
#Post#: 60122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 17, 2023, 4:36 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4561.msg60116#msg60116
date=1676672871]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60110#msg60110
date=1676671652]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60105#msg60105
date=1676670390]
> No, his other high profile error was disallowing a Newcastle
goal against Palace. Plenty of teams have suffered this season,
not just Arsenal, this isn’t all about them, as much as you’d
like to think it is
>
--- End Quote ---
No he ruled out Martinelli's goal against Utd which should of
stood as well
[/quote]
Arsenal gifted Man City two of their three goals through
ridiculous defending errors on Wednesday night. What
consequence will there be for the defenders that made those
mistakes, mistakes that ultimately are far more likely to cost
Arsenal the title than any refereeing errors?
[/quote]
Yup agreed on that we did, arguably our biggest game of the
season and we gifted city there goals, but had Mason not made
the error the game before and yes it still could of finished 1-1
without the var error but we would be still 2 points clear had
it finished 1-0
[/quote]
Could is a big word
#Post#: 60123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 17, 2023, 4:36 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4561.msg60116#msg60116
date=1676672871]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60110#msg60110
date=1676671652]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60105#msg60105
date=1676670390]
> No, his other high profile error was disallowing a Newcastle
goal against Palace. Plenty of teams have suffered this season,
not just Arsenal, this isn’t all about them, as much as you’d
like to think it is
>
--- End Quote ---
No he ruled out Martinelli's goal against Utd which should of
stood as well
[/quote]
Arsenal gifted Man City two of their three goals through
ridiculous defending errors on Wednesday night. What
consequence will there be for the defenders that made those
mistakes, mistakes that ultimately are far more likely to cost
Arsenal the title than any refereeing errors?
[/quote]
Yup agreed on that we did, arguably our biggest game of the
season and we gifted city there goals, but had Mason not made
the error the game before and yes it still could of finished 1-1
without the var error but we would be still 2 points clear had
it finished 1-0
[/quote]
But Man City have been victim of dodgy decisions as well. If
every game that had a dodgy decision had to be replayed the
season would never be completed.
#Post#: 60124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 17, 2023, 4:36 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4561.msg60116#msg60116
date=1676672871]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60110#msg60110
date=1676671652]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60105#msg60105
date=1676670390]
> No, his other high profile error was disallowing a Newcastle
goal against Palace. Plenty of teams have suffered this season,
not just Arsenal, this isn’t all about them, as much as you’d
like to think it is
>
--- End Quote ---
No he ruled out Martinelli's goal against Utd which should of
stood as well
[/quote]
Arsenal gifted Man City two of their three goals through
ridiculous defending errors on Wednesday night. What
consequence will there be for the defenders that made those
mistakes, mistakes that ultimately are far more likely to cost
Arsenal the title than any refereeing errors?
[/quote]
Yup agreed on that we did, arguably our biggest game of the
season and we gifted city there goals, but had Mason not made
the error the game before and yes it still could of finished 1-1
without the var error but we would be still 2 points clear had
it finished 1-0
[/quote]
And if my auntie had *****, she'd be my uncle!
#Post#: 60126--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 17, 2023, 5:03 pm
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I expect Mason had already been warned about his performances as
VAR and was in the last chance saloon, as it were.
#Post#: 60128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 17, 2023, 5:41 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4561.msg60106#msg60106
date=1676670813]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60104#msg60104
date=1676668804]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60102#msg60102
date=1676668080]
> The point is, MCPridz, that Mason has made a couple of
unacceptable high profile mistakes that have affected the
outcome of games. He has now been relieved of that role to
mitigate against it happening again. Or would you prefer him to
continue making these errors? Fairly self explanatory I’d have
thought
>
--- End Quote ---
Well no I don't and both high profile errors has been against my
team, I would prefer the points back or in the interest of
fairness at least replayed at the point of the incidents neither
is going to happen so what is the point, considering we are
fighting for the league
[/quote]
But if these errors cost us the league then there is going to be
one almighty uproar personally 1. I don't think we will win the
league and 2. we will lose it by more than 2 points which
wouldn't make a difference anyway
For starters, just because your fighting for the league doesn't
mean your the high and mighty. Secondly, the official in
question had been removes, in a professional sense that's all
that can be done. I echo Craven, fairly self explanatory.
[/quote]
Well if we lose the league by those 2 points which I don't think
we will anyway it will be more there will be 1 mighty uproar if
we did lose it by 2 points
[/quote]
Bournemouth were relegated in 2020 by 1 point after a goal line
technology failed to award Sheff Utd a goal v Villa, Villa
stayed up 1 point ahead of Bournemouth. Ultimately cost the club
several millions & Eddie Howe getting sacked <---- the way
bigger loss. We had more than our fair share of decisions going
against us, clear penalties not given for us because it wasn't
considered by VAR to be a clear & obvious error, handballs given
against us with similar ones not being given for us etc. Whilst
the GLT was a singular major defining factor, the real fact is
that across the season we gave away too many goals, failed to
defend on too many occasions, especially from set pieces, failed
to score on way too many occasions and simply weren't good
enough as a whole. 6 seasons before we were promoted as
champions ahead of Watford, that season we were given a dubious
penalty with a red card for Watford in our game against them at
Dean Court, no doubt one of those many many defining moments
across that season & one Watford fans understandably will
forever think cost them the title. It didn't the results in the
other 45 games played their part. Seasons are not defined by a
singular or even series of errors by referees, players make more
mistakes on average in a single game than a referee does all
season so if you lose the title by 2 points then put the blame
where it actually lays and that's on your coach for poor tactics
and your players for making way too many costly mistakes.
#Post#: 60129--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: Hendo
Date: February 18, 2023, 12:42 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60120#msg60120
date=1676673212]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=4561.msg60116#msg60116
date=1676672871]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4561.msg60110#msg60110
date=1676671652]
> [quote author=Craven link=topic=4561.msg60105#msg60105
date=1676670390]
> No, his other high profile error was disallowing a Newcastle
goal against Palace. Plenty of teams have suffered this season,
not just Arsenal, this isn’t all about them, as much as you’d
like to think it is
>
--- End Quote ---
No he ruled out Martinelli's goal against Utd which should of
stood as well
[/quote]
Arsenal gifted Man City two of their three goals through
ridiculous defending errors on Wednesday night. What
consequence will there be for the defenders that made those
mistakes, mistakes that ultimately are far more likely to cost
Arsenal the title than any refereeing errors?
[/quote]
Yup agreed on that we did, arguably our biggest game of the
season and we gifted city there goals, but had Mason not made
the error the game before and yes it still could of finished 1-1
without the var error but we would be still 2 points clear had
it finished 1-0
[/quote]
But Man City have been victim of dodgy decisions as well. If
every game that had a dodgy decision had to be replayed the
season would never be completed.
[/quote]
Yes, think Manchester Derby and THAT “goal”
#Post#: 60130--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: Alex04
Date: February 18, 2023, 1:06 am
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--- Quote from: DER link ---
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> PGMOL can confirm that Video Assistant Referee Lee Mason has
departed the organisation by mutual consent.
>
> Lee was a Premier League referee for 15 years and oversaw 287
top flight matches during that time, with his last coming during
the closing stages of the 2021/22 season. His full career in the
professional game saw the 51-year-old officiate in over 500
fixtures after he progressed to the Football League in 1998.
>
> We would like to thank Lee for his dedicated service to the
professional game and wish him all the best for the future.
>
>
HTML https://twitter.com/fa_pgmol/status/1626669063140171784?s=46&t=7QrgdyQaBMMtuBdg6TouRQ
>
>
HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11764529/Lee-Mason-leaves-PGMOL-mutual-consent-following-VAR-blunder.html
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, Howard Webb has got to draw the line somewhere...
#Post#: 60131--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lee Mason Leaves PGMOL
DIR By: keith h
Date: February 18, 2023, 1:48 am
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I have never understood how he got to the level he did and as
far as I am concerned he was no more that a mediocre referee
was ever lucky to get on EFL. Didnt seem to have any
personality and always looked as miserable as you know what
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