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#Post#: 59857--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 13, 2023, 11:35 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> Where was this hysteria or emergency meetings when VAR didn't
review the brawl at the United v Palace game properly recently
and failed to advise that Ayew be sent off (or even review the
Casemiro incident correctly) or when Fabinho wasn't sent off for
Liverpool against Brighton?
>
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They were subjective decisions, so even if wrong there is likely
to be an element of understanding as it is in the opinion of the
referee. Even this weekend that will probably apply for the
Soucek handling not being given, most people think it was a
penalty but it is still a subjective decision.
The offside decisions are very different, they are factual and
black and white, no in the opinion of the referee to come into
play, and it is failure to use the technology properly that has
led to incorrect decisions. This means there is always going to
be way less understanding about the decisions.
#Post#: 59903--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 13, 2023, 5:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
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> I know the PL referees meet regularly throughout the season
anyway so it might just be there were meetings scheduled for
soon after some of those incidents you mention.
>
> They are obviously embarrassing mistakes as offsides like this
should fall under the matter of fact category and it's important
improvements are made. But in a sense I'm a bit less concerned
about things like this as it seems unlikely they'd be repeated
any time soon, compared to things like missing red cards for SFP
or not awarding penalties for handball which seem more likely to
recur in the next week or two.
>
> In terms of the role of the AVAR, I think it is the VAR who
generally does the offside process as with everything else - I
think this might be done differently by FIFA at World Cup level.
Without knowing the exact process, I think it is difficult to
put blame on the AVAR. It might be the Hawkeye operators could
have helped more but I don't think much is known about them
publicly.
>
> On a wider note, I think it would be sensible to take Brooks
off the Merseyside derby tonight and Arsenal V Man City on
Wednesday, simply because the headlines will be pretty bad if
he's left on them and a perceived VAR error occurs. He's had
plenty of good VAR appointments so hopefully he can recover
fairly quickly.
>
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Surely it would make sense that the Avar does the offsides, one
of his main on field functions.
#Post#: 59915--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: February 14, 2023, 3:13 am
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
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> Can they seriously stop putting this ex refs on var they have
all made bowlers this season and how Lee Mason failed to pick up
2 offsides in the build up to Brentford’s goal is just
staggering, it could cost us the title it certainly cost us 2
points today, but from the bits I did see on MOTD the shots out
weight what Brentford had to us looked like the dominated, but
the stats say otherwise, I did think Peter Bankes did ok from
the bits I seen he got let down by the VAR like a lot of the
referees have this season,
>
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Arsenal beat Liverpool earlier in the season when an offside in
the build up to one of their goals was missed, an Arsenal player
handled the ball in the penalty area but nothing was given and
they were awarded the softest of penalties. Were you criticising
the officials after that game?
#Post#: 59944--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 14, 2023, 9:59 am
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
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> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=4539.msg59807#msg59807
date=1676281578]
> I know the PL referees meet regularly throughout the season
anyway so it might just be there were meetings scheduled for
soon after some of those incidents you mention.
>
> They are obviously embarrassing mistakes as offsides like this
should fall under the matter of fact category and it's important
improvements are made. But in a sense I'm a bit less concerned
about things like this as it seems unlikely they'd be repeated
any time soon, compared to things like missing red cards for SFP
or not awarding penalties for handball which seem more likely to
recur in the next week or two.
>
> In terms of the role of the AVAR, I think it is the VAR who
generally does the offside process as with everything else - I
think this might be done differently by FIFA at World Cup level.
Without knowing the exact process, I think it is difficult to
put blame on the AVAR. It might be the Hawkeye operators could
have helped more but I don't think much is known about them
publicly.
>
> On a wider note, I think it would be sensible to take Brooks
off the Merseyside derby tonight and Arsenal V Man City on
Wednesday, simply because the headlines will be pretty bad if
he's left on them and a perceived VAR error occurs. He's had
plenty of good VAR appointments so hopefully he can recover
fairly quickly.
>
--- End Quote ---
Surely it would make sense that the Avar does the offsides, one
of his main on field functions.
[/quote]
Possibly, although of course it's not always the case in general
that the AVAR is an assistant - Stuart Attwell is AVAR for PSG V
Bayern Munich in Champions League tonight for instance. People
have complained previously about PL doing VAR different to other
parts of the world and if a VAR would have been required to draw
lines in CL then I guess you could say it also made sense for
them to do that in PL to give them that experience.
It might be there's some merit to AVARs having more involvement
in offside, although if they've never had this input before then
I'm doubtful about if suddenly having them do that now is going
to improve things or you'll just have less experienced people on
VAR doing it. The situations we saw at the weekend were pretty
unusual, and quite incredible they both happened on the same
day, so I'm not sure if they need to completely change the whole
way they do offside overnight as there's always the potential
for inadvertently making things worse.
It sounds like they will have semi-automated offside in PL next
season probably so I guess it makes sense to focus on how they
are going to implement that as smoothly as possible.
#Post#: 60093--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: February 17, 2023, 2:28 pm
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Lee Mason has paid the price and left PGMOL. I get no pleasure
in this but perhaps it was inevitable. I can only wish him good
luck in the future.
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