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#Post#: 59753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Boggle
Date: February 12, 2023, 8:36 am
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It is interesting that most of the higher profile VAR errors
seem to come from the supposedly specialist VARs. Apart from
yesterday, Mason’s error in the Newcastle v Crystal Palace
match, awarding a Palace free kick and disallowing a goal after
Willock was pushed in the penalty are a sticks in the mind.
Swarbrick has only been back a few weeks and has already missed
one of the clearest red cards (Fabinho v Brighton) and one of
the clearest penalty awards (Soucek yesterday) that you’ll ever
see. Dean missed the Cucurella hair pull early this season. If
these are the specialists, we have a real problem.
#Post#: 59759--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 12, 2023, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
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> [quote author=Banana link=topic=4539.msg59702#msg59702
date=1676163570]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4539.msg59701#msg59701
date=1676162382]
> Can they seriously stop putting this ex refs on var they have
all made bowlers this season and how Lee Mason failed to pick up
2 offsides in the build up to Brentford’s goal is just
staggering, it could cost us the title it certainly cost us 2
points today, but from the bits I did see on MOTD the shots out
weight what Brentford had to us looked like the dominated, but
the stats say otherwise, I did think Peter Bankes did ok from
the bits I seen he got let down by the VAR like a lot of the
referees have this season,
>
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Please stop with the "it cost us 2 points". You were lucky not
to concede 3 before then. So give it up please.
[/quote]
Yes it did cost them two points. Doesn’t matter that they where
lucky not to concede 3 but they didn’t. Then they defended a set
piece well but referee incompetence suggested otherwise.
[/quote]
Wasn't there still some time left in the game to play?
Ever heard of Chaos Theory?
#Post#: 59776--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 12, 2023, 1:09 pm
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
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> [quote author=Banana link=topic=4539.msg59750#msg59750
date=1676211548]
> [quote author=jacksamuel21 link=topic=4539.msg59706#msg59706
date=1676194246]
> Yes it did cost them two points. Doesn’t matter that they
where lucky not to concede 3 but they didn’t. Then they defended
a set piece well but referee incompetence suggested otherwise.
>
--- End Quote ---
What is Arteta more angry about do you think
1) not winning one of 5 challenges in the area
2) a VAR error that wouldn't have happened if AFC had managed to
challenge for the ball.
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The VAR error clearly as Webb and the PGMOL have come out and
apologised saying it was human error and the goal shouldn’t of
stood, although nothing will happen Mason will be taken off VAR
duties for a week, and everything will be back to normal, the
result won’t change and they ain’t going to award us the 3
points or reply the match from that precise moment, and if it
costs us the league come end of season then there is going to be
uproar
[/quote]
I dont remember any matches being completed after 74 mins, when
a goal has been scored or disallowed.
An unintentional error occurred, unfortunately you have to
accept it and move on.
Some go your way, some dont, its called football.
#Post#: 59790--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: February 13, 2023, 1:00 am
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I think some officials this weekend will be on the chopping
block…
#Post#: 59802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: February 13, 2023, 3:19 am
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Where was this hysteria or emergency meetings when VAR didn't
review the brawl at the United v Palace game properly recently
and failed to advise that Ayew be sent off (or even review the
Casemiro incident correctly) or when Fabinho wasn't sent off for
Liverpool against Brighton?
#Post#: 59807--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 13, 2023, 3:46 am
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I know the PL referees meet regularly throughout the season
anyway so it might just be there were meetings scheduled for
soon after some of those incidents you mention.
They are obviously embarrassing mistakes as offsides like this
should fall under the matter of fact category and it's important
improvements are made. But in a sense I'm a bit less concerned
about things like this as it seems unlikely they'd be repeated
any time soon, compared to things like missing red cards for SFP
or not awarding penalties for handball which seem more likely to
recur in the next week or two.
In terms of the role of the AVAR, I think it is the VAR who
generally does the offside process as with everything else - I
think this might be done differently by FIFA at World Cup level.
Without knowing the exact process, I think it is difficult to
put blame on the AVAR. It might be the Hawkeye operators could
have helped more but I don't think much is known about them
publicly.
On a wider note, I think it would be sensible to take Brooks off
the Merseyside derby tonight and Arsenal V Man City on
Wednesday, simply because the headlines will be pretty bad if
he's left on them and a perceived VAR error occurs. He's had
plenty of good VAR appointments so hopefully he can recover
fairly quickly.
#Post#: 59808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: TVOS
Date: February 13, 2023, 4:33 am
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--- Quote from: jacksback link ---
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> If I've said it once I've said it a million times - Lee Mason
should be nowhere near Premier League football.
>
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... or any football!
#Post#: 59810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: February 13, 2023, 4:52 am
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Issue surely isn’t that there are ‘Ex-refs’ as VAR?? If
anything, I’d say that’s the long-term optimum - experienced
refs, used to having VAR themselves, who become dedicated VARs
and focus solely on that role. Better than having active refs
doing a game Saturday and then bombing off to do VAR duty the
next day (rather than rest & recovery).
#Post#: 59813--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Seagull
Date: February 13, 2023, 5:05 am
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Maybe the lesson to take from the Brentford goal incident is for
VAR to always prioritise the check for offside first because if
the player is offside, nothing else matters. If he's not
offside, then check to see if he's committed a foul. Had this
been the protocol, the offside would have been detected and the
"goal" wouldn't have stood.
#Post#: 59831--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: February 13, 2023, 8:10 am
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I thought VAR was checking an offside initially but one that
came earlier in the build-up? Dale Johnson suggests Mason
thought he had committed an offside offence but they weren't
able to plot the lines for that one so had to go with the
on-field call.
But perhaps the second offside would have been easier/quicker to
judge!
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