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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: February 12, 2023, 4:40 am
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> I’m a bit confused who is it who should be called offside ?
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Pinnock was originally when the free kick came in and then
Norgaard was when he crossed for Toney to score
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 12, 2023, 5:10 am
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> [quote author=Banana link=topic=4539.msg59702#msg59702
date=1676163570]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4539.msg59701#msg59701
date=1676162382]
> Can they seriously stop putting this ex refs on var they have
all made bowlers this season and how Lee Mason failed to pick up
2 offsides in the build up to Brentford’s goal is just
staggering, it could cost us the title it certainly cost us 2
points today, but from the bits I did see on MOTD the shots out
weight what Brentford had to us looked like the dominated, but
the stats say otherwise, I did think Peter Bankes did ok from
the bits I seen he got let down by the VAR like a lot of the
referees have this season,
>
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Please stop with the "it cost us 2 points". You were lucky not
to concede 3 before then. So give it up please.
[/quote]
Yes it did cost them two points. Doesn’t matter that they where
lucky not to concede 3 but they didn’t. Then they defended a set
piece well but referee incompetence suggested otherwise.
[/quote]
No it didnt cost them two points because if the goal had been
disallowed you dont know how the rest of the game would have
played out.
#Post#: 59729--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: February 12, 2023, 5:18 am
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Agree, in the Wolves game you could argue that the harsh early
red card would cost Wolves 3 points. Often that is the case but
not always. You do not know what would have happened if a goal
had been disallowed or a decision gone another way.
In rugby union, TMO has in the past made some howlers, focusing
on one marginal incident while ignoring another which was clear
cut and obvious. Tunnel vision? If it is any consolation, rugby
TMOs have improved and I am sure the PGMOL will get it right.
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 12, 2023, 7:13 am
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One other point, can this all be placed at the door of Lee
Mason? dont we have an assistant referee on var also, who i
would say would have a big input in offside decisions. Having
said that the person with Lee in the var booth yday hasnt helped
Simon Hooper on field on occasions this season.
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: jacksback
Date: February 12, 2023, 7:23 am
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If I've said it once I've said it a million times - Lee Mason
should be nowhere near Premier League football.
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Tweed
Date: February 12, 2023, 7:48 am
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
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> [quote author=flipmode link=topic=4539.msg59703#msg59703
date=1676165751]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=4539.msg59701#msg59701
date=1676162382]
> Can they seriously stop putting this ex refs on var they have
all made bowlers this season and how Lee Mason failed to pick up
2 offsides in the build up to Brentford’s goal is just
staggering, it could cost us the title it certainly cost us 2
points today, but from the bits I did see on MOTD the shots out
weight what Brentford had to us looked like the dominated, but
the stats say otherwise, I did think Peter Bankes did ok from
the bits I seen he got let down by the VAR like a lot of the
referees have this season,
>
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This is the annual Arsenal meltdown, isn't it?
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Nope there was 2 other shocking reckons in other matches to and
most of the mistakes are being made by specialist VAR’s most of
the time, it’s either Dean, Mason and now Swarbrick, maybe they
either need better training or in Swarbricks case as he used to
be the Head of VAR, I don’t want to say fired as that is
probably a tad harsh, and it looks like he has already been
demoted but maybe they need to do away with the specialist var
roles
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Problem is if you do away with specialist VAR roles you are
going to dilute the quality of onfield referees further as more
and more will be doing VAR. In Scotland fans of non Premiership
clubs (give me three months, I'll be one) are complaining about
that already as our better refs are in the top flight more and
more either on the field or in the booth.
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: February 12, 2023, 7:55 am
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Problem is if you do away with specialist VAR roles you are
going to dilute the quality of onfield referees further as more
and more will be doing VAR. In Scotland fans of non Premiership
clubs (give me three months, I'll be one) are complaining about
that already as our better refs are in the top flight more and
more either on the field or in the booth.
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You say that but Antony Taylor one of the best refs in England
never does VAR, and this specialist VAR roles are the ones
making the mistakes
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Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Banana
Date: February 12, 2023, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
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> Yes it did cost them two points. Doesn’t matter that they
where lucky not to concede 3 but they didn’t. Then they defended
a set piece well but referee incompetence suggested otherwise.
>
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What is Arteta more angry about do you think
1) not winning one of 5 challenges in the area
2) a VAR error that wouldn't have happened if AFC had managed to
challenge for the ball.
#Post#: 59751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: February 12, 2023, 8:21 am
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If there is any hope, VAR referees may learn from their
mistakes. Perhaps a little optimistic, but I spent all my life
learning from my mistakes. Hopefully, I only made them once!
#Post#: 59752--------------------------------------------------
Re: Peter Bankes Ref, Lee Mason VAR, Arsenal vs Brentford
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: February 12, 2023, 8:24 am
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--- Quote from: Banana link ---
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> [quote author=jacksamuel21 link=topic=4539.msg59706#msg59706
date=1676194246]
> Yes it did cost them two points. Doesn’t matter that they
where lucky not to concede 3 but they didn’t. Then they defended
a set piece well but referee incompetence suggested otherwise.
>
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What is Arteta more angry about do you think
1) not winning one of 5 challenges in the area
2) a VAR error that wouldn't have happened if AFC had managed to
challenge for the ball.
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The VAR error clearly as Webb and the PGMOL have come out and
apologised saying it was human error and the goal shouldn’t of
stood, although nothing will happen Mason will be taken off VAR
duties for a week, and everything will be back to normal, the
result won’t change and they ain’t going to award us the 3
points or reply the match from that precise moment, and if it
costs us the league come end of season then there is going to be
uproar
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