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#Post#: 59755--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: Arbitre anglais
Date: February 12, 2023, 8:49 am
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I like Gillett - his experience comes through, calm authority
and generally spot on with his decisions. In no way saying he’s
wrong (we can’t know) but a couple of observations:
Far from the most egregious example we’ve seen this season - I
hope this is a sign refs have been instructed to clamp down on
players running at them to protest. If they have, that’s great
but it would help if Webb (or someone) makes this public. It’d
receive lots of support and then people would have no sympathy.
Also needs other refs to do their bit - media will quickly (and
rightly) point to other examples, if other players don’t get the
same treatment. Especially if ‘bigger’ clubs are seen to get
away with it.
#Post#: 59777--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 12, 2023, 1:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Arbitre anglais link ---
>
> I like Gillett - his experience comes through, calm authority
and generally spot on with his decisions. In no way saying he’s
wrong (we can’t know) but a couple of observations:
>
> Far from the most egregious example we’ve seen this season - I
hope this is a sign refs have been instructed to clamp down on
players running at them to protest. If they have, that’s great
but it would help if Webb (or someone) makes this public. It’d
receive lots of support and then people would have no sympathy.
Also needs other refs to do their bit - media will quickly (and
rightly) point to other examples, if other players don’t get the
same treatment. Especially if ‘bigger’ clubs are seen to get
away with it.
>
--- End Quote ---
Good to see the same punishment issued to Dias of Man. City
today by Mr Jones.
If refs are clamping down on people running from distance to
have an opinion i am sure it will have been communicated to the
clubs prior to the practice taking place.
#Post#: 59861--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: robbieg
Date: February 13, 2023, 12:32 pm
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Upon reflection and after reading other views both on Gillett
and Jones it seems that I have been taken in by Messrs
Liniker,Shearer and Murphy.
Happy to have been corrected.
#Post#: 59884--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: Boggle
Date: February 13, 2023, 3:40 pm
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I have no qualms at all about players seeing yellow for dissent,
particularly on crowding the ref. A few weeks of yellows and
reds for this would hopefully go some way to addressing players’
attitudes on this matter. What will never be clear to fans
watching is why, in incidents like the Dias and Lemina bookings,
one out of three players is singled out for a card.
The question I have is following comments made on Sky about the
Dias booking. The commentators suggested that Dias was booked
because there were already two players speaking with the ref and
Dias was the third on the scene. They referenced that this was
the same with Lemina. Is this coincidence and the commentators
putting 2 and 2 together and making 5? It feels odd that yellows
would be issued based on whoever arrives at the referee third
rather than the severity of the dissent.
In the two incidents, I could see why Dias was booked as he ran
from some distance and got in Jones’ face whereas in the Lemina
one, although he came from some distance, he didn’t look to
sprint or be particularly vocal from the footage I’ve seen.
Neves and the other Wolves player certainly looked to be worse
offenders in terms of dissent towards Gillett in all respects
other than they were nearer when they started speaking to him.
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Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 13, 2023, 3:53 pm
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The thing with dissent is we don't hear what is said. Someone
could be yelling but still be polite in terms of language used
whereas someone else could stand there looking all calm & very
quietly say 'you're a cheat ref' - to anyone looking on you'd
assume the shouty one should be given yellow not the quiet one.
#Post#: 59901--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: Claretman
Date: February 13, 2023, 5:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Boggle link ---
>
> I have no qualms at all about players seeing yellow for
dissent, particularly on crowding the ref. A few weeks of
yellows and reds for this would hopefully go some way to
addressing players’ attitudes on this matter. What will never be
clear to fans watching is why, in incidents like the Dias and
Lemina bookings, one out of three players is singled out for a
card.
>
> The question I have is following comments made on Sky about
the Dias booking. The commentators suggested that Dias was
booked because there were already two players speaking with the
ref and Dias was the third on the scene. They referenced that
this was the same with Lemina. Is this coincidence and the
commentators putting 2 and 2 together and making 5? It feels odd
that yellows would be issued based on whoever arrives at the
referee third rather than the severity of the dissent.
>
> In the two incidents, I could see why Dias was booked as he
ran from some distance and got in Jones’ face whereas in the
Lemina one, although he came from some distance, he didn’t look
to sprint or be particularly vocal from the footage I’ve seen.
Neves and the other Wolves player certainly looked to be worse
offenders in terms of dissent towards Gillett in all respects
other than they were nearer when they started speaking to him.
>
--- End Quote ---
As mentioned elsewhere i am sure the yellow for Dias was because
of the distance he travelled quickly to have his opinion, rather
than being the third man on the scene, something
Which the commentators did not pick up on.
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Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: February 13, 2023, 5:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Claretman link ---
>
> [quote author=Boggle link=topic=4534.msg59884#msg59884
date=1676324459]
> I have no qualms at all about players seeing yellow for
dissent, particularly on crowding the ref. A few weeks of
yellows and reds for this would hopefully go some way to
addressing players’ attitudes on this matter. What will never be
clear to fans watching is why, in incidents like the Dias and
Lemina bookings, one out of three players is singled out for a
card.
>
> The question I have is following comments made on Sky about
the Dias booking. The commentators suggested that Dias was
booked because there were already two players speaking with the
ref and Dias was the third on the scene. They referenced that
this was the same with Lemina. Is this coincidence and the
commentators putting 2 and 2 together and making 5? It feels odd
that yellows would be issued based on whoever arrives at the
referee third rather than the severity of the dissent.
>
> In the two incidents, I could see why Dias was booked as he
ran from some distance and got in Jones’ face whereas in the
Lemina one, although he came from some distance, he didn’t look
to sprint or be particularly vocal from the footage I’ve seen.
Neves and the other Wolves player certainly looked to be worse
offenders in terms of dissent towards Gillett in all respects
other than they were nearer when they started speaking to him.
>
--- End Quote ---
As mentioned elsewhere i am sure the yellow for Dias was because
of the distance he travelled quickly to have his opinion, rather
than being the third man on the scene, something
Which the commentators did not pick up on.
[/quote]
Nope it was being the 3rd man on the scene as apparently and
this is what I heard only allowed 2
#Post#: 59904--------------------------------------------------
Re: J GILLETT: S'TON V WOLVES
DIR By: Ivanhoe
Date: February 13, 2023, 5:14 pm
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Andy Robertson (Liverpool) shouts f... off at the referee twice
in a matter of seconds, picked up by tv. Punishment....none.
This inconsistency isn't good and it is particularly galling if
you are a local league referee who has to deal with that. Third
man in is for ice hockey not football.
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