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       Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: Mattref20
       Date: February 5, 2023, 5:02 pm
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       In recent matches I’ve seen in the premier league every game
       there has been a number of players surrounding the referee after
       a decision hasn’t gone their way. Do we think that the
       FA/premier league are going to do anything about this?
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: ClaretandBlue06
       Date: February 5, 2023, 5:09 pm
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       Bring sin bins In . The players would stop it. Captain only
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: jacksamuel21
       Date: February 5, 2023, 5:11 pm
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       --- Quote from: Mattref20 link ---
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       > Do we think that the FA/premier league are going to do
       anything about this?
       >
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       No.
       They should but so should the referees, instant booking.
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: nemesis
       Date: February 5, 2023, 5:33 pm
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       --- Quote from: Mattref20 link ---
       >
       > In recent matches I’ve seen in the premier league every game
       there has been a number of players surrounding the referee after
       a decision hasn’t gone their way. Do we think that the
       FA/premier league are going to do anything about this?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In recent matches I’ve seen in the premier league every game
       there has been a number of players surrounding the referee after
       a decision hasn’t gone their way. Do we think that the referees
       are going to do anything about this?
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: February 6, 2023, 2:42 am
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       --- Quote from: nemesis link ---
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       > [quote author=Mattref20 link=topic=4521.msg59471#msg59471
       date=1675638166]
       > In recent matches I’ve seen in the premier league every game
       there has been a number of players surrounding the referee after
       a decision hasn’t gone their way. Do we think that the
       FA/premier league are going to do anything about this?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In recent matches I’ve seen in the premier league every game
       there has been a number of players surrounding the referee after
       a decision hasn’t gone their way. Do we think that the referees
       are going to do anything about this?
       [/quote]
       As employees, if they wish to progress, they will do their
       employer's bidding who appear not to want proper disciplinary
       sanctions because it 'ruins the entertainment' factor. Talking
       to a senior referee recently I detected that there is a
       willingness on the part of match officials to take a more robust
       line but they fear it will hamper their progress. Caught between
       a rock and a hard place. Easy to say that the referees should
       show independence of mind and act but as in most walks of life,
       the chasing of promotion tends to trump everything else.
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: February 6, 2023, 2:50 am
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       Similarly in the legal system with sentencing. Of course there
       is a proper debate as to whether longer sentencing actually acts
       a deterrent by reducing crime ( evidence is far from convincing
       ) but if a judge breaches sentencing guidelines, even when they
       believe there might be compelling case to do so, then they will
       soon find themselves in a spot of bother.
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       Re: Players surrounding referees 
   DIR By: Arbitre anglais
       Date: February 6, 2023, 5:49 pm
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       For all the tinkering with the LOAF, lots of annoying,
       unsporting things could be solved quickly (for the benefit of
       fair play and a better spectacle) if they were punished
       consistently, without exception (even if that’s initially
       numerous YCs, second YCs). It’s done for shirt removal at goals
       (even if no one really cares about that) and it’s now just
       accepted. Examples, all players who:
       - run over to get involved in an incident and escalate it
       - run at / surround officials aggressively to protest / appeal
       - follow refs to/from the OFR area
       - players faffing around at PK trying to put off penalty taker
       - wave imaginary cards trying to get other players carded
       FA back refs completely - won’t entertain any complaints about
       refs who give out cards for these factual things. Everyone
       publicly warned in advance that refs have been told to clamp
       down. Make sure it doesn’t happen for a weekend then fizzle out
       and back to square one. Then up to clubs to self regulate or
       lose games - won’t need to be lots of cards if professional
       players adjust and simply don’t do these things.
       Won’t happen! PL, run by clubs, don’t want that - want the
       entertainment and don’t care about the effect it has on
       refs/games at lower levels.
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