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#Post#: 59396--------------------------------------------------
Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording devices
DIR By: cwh
Date: February 4, 2023, 10:12 am
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Has anyone seen this article in todays I Paper - it is rather a
long article which raises some concerns - it alleges that some
referees in the EFL and Non league are using small audio devices
to covertly record exchanges on the pitch and in their offices
after gam es to protect themselves from false allegations -
there are some excerpts from these recordings
All a bit worrying
#Post#: 59402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 4, 2023, 11:11 am
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Not seen the article but it probably stems from the same reasons
that IFAB have agreed the body cam trial. Hostility against
referees is at an all time high so I can't really blame anyone
who does so to be honest.
#Post#: 59403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: guest308
Date: February 4, 2023, 11:22 am
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I wonder if Bobby madden had one and that’s why what he was
alledged to have said was not proven?
#Post#: 59423--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: Wollongong Ref
Date: February 4, 2023, 4:38 pm
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In NSW some of our rugby league referees wear GoPros during
games. Really sad it has come to that.
#Post#: 59487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: February 6, 2023, 6:42 am
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--- Quote from: charlieboy link ---
>
> I wonder if Bobby madden had one and that’s why what he was
alledged to have said was not proven?
>
--- End Quote ---
I would have thought that if Bobby Madden had had one, the one
verdict that couldn't have been reached was Not Proven.
#Post#: 59489--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: February 6, 2023, 7:09 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=charlieboy link=topic=4516.msg59403#msg59403
date=1675531353]
> I wonder if Bobby madden had one and that’s why what he was
alledged to have said was not proven?
>
--- End Quote ---
I would have thought that if Bobby Madden had had one, the one
verdict that couldn't have been reached was Not Proven.
[/quote]
Providing the audio recording was clear, I tend to agree.
#Post#: 59494--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 6, 2023, 9:46 am
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We've been recording the comms system since at least season
2016/2017 in Hungary. The recording gets activated pre-kick off
and the recording is automatically uploaded to the Federation
servers. It has served well when needed and I can't understand
why the bigger footballing nations don't do it as standard.
Viktor Kassai was falsely accused of making a racist comment to
a player in a match in April 2017 - player who was given a red
card and had tried to assault Kassai on the pitch stated in his
disciplinary hearing that he was angry he had racially abused a
team mate - the team mate did not back up the accusations.
Player got a 5 match ban & Viktor sued him over the false
allegations. He was exonerated in court
(
HTML https://www.hungarianfootball.com/2018/07/15/kassai-exonerated-in-false-racism-claim-made-against-him/)<br
/>after they played the recording from the comms link while
watching the game and it was proven he had never said anything
racist. It has also worked the other way when then National team
goalkeeper and bmb's fav ever player Király Gábor was sent off
for allegedly calling the referee a mofo (Hungarian version of
the full word allegedly used). He was given a 3 match ban but
appealed the red card, at the disciplinary hearing the comms
link recording was played and it was proven he said no such
thing and the red was rescinded.
Those examples show how it can protect both the players &
referees from any allegations made about things said. If a
small, poor nation like Hungary can have it as standard (we
don't have GLT because we can't afford it), then a country awash
with money in the professional game has no excuse in not doing
so. It should not be left to individual referees to have to
protect themselves, their employers should be doing that.
#Post#: 59557--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: stig231
Date: February 7, 2023, 10:53 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=charlieboy link=topic=4516.msg59403#msg59403
date=1675531353]
> I wonder if Bobby madden had one and that’s why what he was
alledged to have said was not proven?
>
--- End Quote ---
I would have thought that if Bobby Madden had had one, the one
verdict that couldn't have been reached was Not Proven.
[/quote]
I have no idea what the incident is being referred to with Bobby
Madden, however he was involved in an interesting incident in
his Northampton v Walsall match at the weekend.....
HTML https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-labels-referee-an-absolute-disgrace-after-sarcastically-clapping-mcwilliams-during-walsall-draw-4014530
#Post#: 59558--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: RCG
Date: February 7, 2023, 11:01 am
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Not that I condone sarcasm (as it opens a can of worms the other
way) maybe the "rolling around on the floor 'in agony'" was the
reason Mr Maddon didnt stop the game.
I wonder if they have actually reported the incident formally or
its just a manager deflecting a "poor" result.
#Post#: 59559--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hostility in the game pushing referees to use recording
devices
DIR By: rustyref
Date: February 7, 2023, 11:24 am
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--- Quote from: stig231 link ---
>
> [quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=4516.msg59487#msg59487
date=1675687377]
> [quote author=charlieboy link=topic=4516.msg59403#msg59403
date=1675531353]
> I wonder if Bobby madden had one and that’s why what he was
alledged to have said was not proven?
>
--- End Quote ---
I would have thought that if Bobby Madden had had one, the one
verdict that couldn't have been reached was Not Proven.
[/quote]
I have no idea what the incident is being referred to with Bobby
Madden, however he was involved in an interesting incident in
his Northampton v Walsall match at the weekend.....
HTML https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/brady-labels-referee-an-absolute-disgrace-after-sarcastically-clapping-mcwilliams-during-walsall-draw-4014530
[/quote]
"He's on the floor, rolling around" says the manager. Chances
are he isn't seriously injured then.
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