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Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: Adam
Date: January 18, 2023, 2:48 pm
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Barely noticed him. Has had nothing to do at all except a few
simple fouls which were all correct 😃
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: dave26
Date: January 18, 2023, 3:05 pm
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Yes he hadn’t had anything to do but he did well to diffuse the
Anthony and Mitchell dust up in the first half seems to be
enjoying himself I think the run of games he’s had in the last
week or 2 has given more confidence with each passing match
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: exref_from_OZ
Date: January 18, 2023, 3:37 pm
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Watching in Oz having breakfast before work, the only negative
so far for Rob is the Optus Sport commentator keeps calling him
John Brooks!
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: dave26
Date: January 18, 2023, 3:45 pm
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No blame attached for the penalty shout for the foul on
mctominay no way could Rob Jones tell that he hadn’t touched the
ball as the way the contact was made it looked like the palace
player had played the ball VAR correct not to overrule Jones or
send him to the monitor as it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: Adam
Date: January 18, 2023, 3:57 pm
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Much better than the weekend from Jones. No issues and can go
home very happy!
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: Irishref1985
Date: January 18, 2023, 4:12 pm
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I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as
the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick
hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 18, 2023, 5:05 pm
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Wasn't sure on first look at full speed, but from the replay I
did think it should have been a penalty. However, if the bar
for clear and obvious is as high as some have suggested, then no
real surprise that VAR didn't advise an OFR.
United had a lucky decision on Saturday against City so they
can't really complain about not getting one tonight. And based
on their abysmal second half performance they didn't deserve to
win anyway.
I thought Jones was fine.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: Adam
Date: January 19, 2023, 2:13 am
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--- Quote from: Irishref1985 link ---
>
> I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as
the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick
hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of
the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least
we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and
obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which
causes the trip.
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 19, 2023, 2:59 am
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--- Quote from: Adam link ---
>
> [quote author=Irishref1985 link=topic=4447.msg58526#msg58526
date=1674079954]
> I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as
the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick
hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of
the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least
we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and
obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which
causes the trip.
[/quote]
Last night that's not what happened because the attacker didn't
kick the defender's leg as in the Haaland incident. Last night
the defender tried to put a tackle in and played the man not the
ball tereby tripping up the player.
The only issue is whether the defender played the ball and the
tv replays clearly showed he didn't.
So we must have the referee thought the defender played the
ball so gives no penalty. VAR deems it to not be a clear and
obvious error. Surely on that reckoning if the player did play
the ball but the referee didn't think so and gives a penalty
then presumably VAR would not overturn the decision as it is not
clear and obvious error. It can't be a clear and obvious error
in one scenario and not a clear and obvious error in exactly the
reverse situation.
None of the tv replays showed the referee's positioning to see
what view he had of the incident. As a further point where is
the input from the near side AR as he would have had a perfect
view looking across the field to see who played the ball (and if
not what was he looking at?).
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Re: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: January 19, 2023, 3:44 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> [quote author=Adam link=topic=4447.msg58536#msg58536
date=1674115981]
> [quote author=Irishref1985 link=topic=4447.msg58526#msg58526
date=1674079954]
> I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as
the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick
hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.
>
--- End Quote ---
Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of
the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least
we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and
obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which
causes the trip.
[/quote]
It can’t be a clear and obvious error in one scenario and not a
clear and obvious error in exactly the reverse situation.
[/quote]
Yes it can. Football isn’t black and white and two opposite
decisions can both be not wrong.
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