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       Re: Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: keith h
       Date: January 14, 2023, 1:53 am
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       Why can't people be more polite and start the topic off with
       'Michael Oliver ' and not just 'Oliver'
       #Post#: 58217--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: Seagull
       Date: January 14, 2023, 5:08 am
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       --- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=4425.msg58202#msg58202
       date=1673649420]
       > An enjoyable game well controlled by Michael Oliver.  I was
       pleased to see he took the opportunity of a dead ball situation
       to caution Martinez and that he added nearly 2 minutes on top of
       the 6 that had been indicated at 90 minutes.  Liked the way he
       talked to the young Leeds player a couple of times when the lad
       got frustrated.
       >
       > Personally, I didn't think there was enough for a penalty for
       Leeds and their appeals didn't last long or were all that
       strong.
       >
       > The AR (Bennett?) will be disappointed that he wrongly flagged
       the second Villa goal offside although I think it was closer
       than Gary Neville suggested.  The earlier call to disallow a
       Leeds goal was excellent.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How many times did it take before he cautioned Martinez for time
       wasting? Also I've noticed with Martinez that he very often when
       kicking out of hands that he appears to be outside the area when
       he lets go off the ball to kick it.
       [/quote]
       Whenever I was an AR (Linesman in those days), it was normal
       procedure when the GK was releasing from the hand to watch for
       that by staying level with the 18 yard penalty area line and
       then "sprinting like hell" up the touchline to resume the
       position for offside. They don't seem to monitor it now.
       #Post#: 58218--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Michael Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: sastley
       Date: January 14, 2023, 6:56 am
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       Law 5 (3) The referee enforces The Laws of the Game.
       Law 12 (2) An indirect freekick is awarded if a goalkeeper,
       inside their penalty area, controls the ball with the hand/arm
       for more than 6 seconds before releasing it.
       By not enforcing Law 12 (2) the referee is not enforcing the
       Laws of the Game, therefore, in dereliction of their duties.
       Does any SG1 enforce law 12 (2). All goalkeepers break this law.
       Martinez in particular. Last night I clocked one instance when
       he controlled the ball with his hands for 25 seconds. No action
       by the referee.
       Are referees instructed to ignore this Law of the Game?
       #Post#: 58225--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Michael Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: January 14, 2023, 9:01 am
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       --- Quote from: sastley link ---
       >
       > Law 5 (3) The referee enforces The Laws of the Game.
       > Law 12 (2) An indirect freekick is awarded if a goalkeeper,
       inside their penalty area, controls the ball with the hand/arm
       for more than 6 seconds before releasing it.
       > By not enforcing Law 12 (2) the referee is not enforcing the
       Laws of the Game, therefore, in dereliction of their duties.
       Does any SG1 enforce law 12 (2). All goalkeepers break this law.
       Martinez in particular. Last night I clocked one instance when
       he controlled the ball with his hands for 25 seconds. No action
       by the referee.
       > Are referees instructed to ignore this Law of the Game?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In a word, Yes, certainly if the Crewe goalie, Arthur Okonkwo,
       is anything to go by! I suspect that referees at the top level
       are told to allow play to go on but to add time on at the end
       for obvious time wasting by goalies with the ball in their
       hands. And that has proved fatal more than once this season for
       Crewe and Okonkwo!
       #Post#: 58236--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Michael Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: January 14, 2023, 10:30 am
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       --- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
       >
       > [quote author=sastley link=topic=4425.msg58218#msg58218
       date=1673701013]
       > Law 5 (3) The referee enforces The Laws of the Game.
       > Law 12 (2) An indirect freekick is awarded if a goalkeeper,
       inside their penalty area, controls the ball with the hand/arm
       for more than 6 seconds before releasing it.
       > By not enforcing Law 12 (2) the referee is not enforcing the
       Laws of the Game, therefore, in dereliction of their duties.
       Does any SG1 enforce law 12 (2). All goalkeepers break this law.
       Martinez in particular. Last night I clocked one instance when
       he controlled the ball with his hands for 25 seconds. No action
       by the referee.
       > Are referees instructed to ignore this Law of the Game?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In a word, Yes, certainly if the Crewe goalie, Arthur Okonkwo,
       is anything to go by! I suspect that referees at the top level
       are told to allow play to go on but to add time on at the end
       for obvious time wasting by goalies with the ball in their
       hands. And that has proved fatal more than once this season for
       Crewe and Okonkwo!
       [/quote]
       I would go on to day referees worldwide dont enforce this law. I
       agree Martinez is one of the worst but he will continue if he
       gets away with it.
       This law has hardly ever been enforced since a goalkeeper was
       allowed to catch the ball, roll it on the floor and then pick it
       up again in the penalty area without anyone else touching the
       ball ( showing my age remembering when that was allowed ).
       One other thing how can you add time on for wasting time when
       the ball is in play, ie in the goalkeepers hands. Surely you can
       only add time for time wasting when the ball isnt in play ?
       #Post#: 58248--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Michael Oliver> Villa v Leeds
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: January 14, 2023, 11:50 am
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       --- Quote from: Claretman link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=4425.msg58225#msg58225
       date=1673708510]
       > [quote author=sastley link=topic=4425.msg58218#msg58218
       date=1673701013]
       > Law 5 (3) The referee enforces The Laws of the Game.
       > Law 12 (2) An indirect freekick is awarded if a goalkeeper,
       inside their penalty area, controls the ball with the hand/arm
       for more than 6 seconds before releasing it.
       > By not enforcing Law 12 (2) the referee is not enforcing the
       Laws of the Game, therefore, in dereliction of their duties.
       Does any SG1 enforce law 12 (2). All goalkeepers break this law.
       Martinez in particular. Last night I clocked one instance when
       he controlled the ball with his hands for 25 seconds. No action
       by the referee.
       > Are referees instructed to ignore this Law of the Game?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In a word, Yes, certainly if the Crewe goalie, Arthur Okonkwo,
       is anything to go by! I suspect that referees at the top level
       are told to allow play to go on but to add time on at the end
       for obvious time wasting by goalies with the ball in their
       hands. And that has proved fatal more than once this season for
       Crewe and Okonkwo!
       [/quote]
       I would go on to day referees worldwide dont enforce this law. I
       agree Martinez is one of the worst but he will continue if he
       gets away with it.
       This law has hardly ever been enforced since a goalkeeper was
       allowed to catch the ball, roll it on the floor and then pick it
       up again in the penalty area without anyone else touching the
       ball ( showing my age remembering when that was allowed ).
       One other thing how can you add time on for wasting time when
       the ball is in play, ie in the goalkeepers hands. Surely you can
       only add time for time wasting when the ball isnt in play ?
       [/quote]
       This section of Law (along with a few others) is not worth the
       paper it is written on.  It either needs to be enforced or
       changed.  When the goal-keeper has control of the ball no other
       player can (legally) take part in the game.  Without some form
       of Law (and sanction) the goal-keeper could hold onto the ball
       until time expires.  Sometimes it feels like they are trying to
       do just that -  especially when a perfectly straight forward
       save is accompanied by the fall to the floor using up even more
       time from the game.
       And your point is well made, it is not possible to add time on
       when the ball is in play.
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