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Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: UmpireIan49
Date: December 7, 2022, 3:08 pm
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First time I’ve seen this referee in action and I’m afraid to
say, I’m not too impressed with him at all.
Random foul detection, bordering on erratic and as i write, the
match is danger of going out of control as the players seem to
be taking the law into their own hands. Could see a red card
coming soon for somebody I think.
Clear penalty to Stockport in the first half when the attacker
was elbowed in the back of the head, nothing given.
Then, just now, a Stockport player was nudged into the
advertising hoardings behind the goal by a Charlton player,
leading to an unseemly scuffle that Mr. Oldham was struggling to
control.
The player did some damage to the hoardings and thankfully not
to himself, but no yellow card for the miscreant, which was
puzzling. Then some afters 2/3 minutes later, which again the
referee seem to leave to the players to sort out amongst
themselves.
The game is a little febrile to say the least and Mr. Oldham
seems to be considerably above the level he ought to be doing on
the strength of this.
Any comments from those who have witnessed him in action?
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: RCG
Date: December 7, 2022, 3:14 pm
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Seemed to lose control of himself, shouting angrily at players
The original incident was unfortunate as at most other grounds
there is more space. As contact was on FOP any action would have
included a penalty. We have allowed defenders to shepherd the
ball out for many a year, without the ball always being in
playing distance.
Separate issue: why was a player allowed back onto the field
when clearly he hit his head/face/neck on a solid, inanimate
object? He should be off for a through assessment, temporarily
replaced aa required. Madness
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: UmpireIan49
Date: December 7, 2022, 3:40 pm
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Apologies RCG, I should have added that the nudge on the
Stockport player should have led to a penalty and a yellow card.
Also agree that the concussion protocols weren’t followed very
correctly, which isn’t good.
The last part of this game has seen a flurry of yellow cards and
a clear cut penalty finally awarded to Stockport. So justice was
done in the end. But still an erratic performance from the
referee in all fairness.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: ARF
Date: December 7, 2022, 5:19 pm
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> temporarily replaced aa required
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Concussion substitution protocols don't allow for a temporary
substitution while a HIA is taking place - if a team doesn't
make a snap decision to use a concussion substitution, then
they'll be down a player while the HIA is carried out.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: RCG
Date: December 8, 2022, 1:04 am
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My point exactly. There is no way he should have continued
without proper assessment, which cannot be done at pitchside
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 8, 2022, 4:12 am
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--- Quote from: RCG link ---
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> My point exactly. There is no way he should have continued
without proper assessment, which cannot be done at pitchside
>
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Agreed. It has happened at least twice during the World Cup,
both in games involving England. Too often players with head
injuries are being allowed to stay on the FOP only to be removed
a few minutes later when it becomes clear that they should not
continue, simply because of the substitution Laws. Somewhere
down the line an avoidable tragedy will occur as a result.
Until the Laws change, medical staff need to be more responsible
and get players off.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Stockport v Charlton - FA Cup
DIR By: rustyref
Date: December 8, 2022, 11:43 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
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> [quote author=RCG link=topic=4289.msg56376#msg56376
date=1670483047]
> My point exactly. There is no way he should have continued
without proper assessment, which cannot be done at pitchside
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed. It has happened at least twice during the World Cup,
both in games involving England. Too often players with head
injuries are being allowed to stay on the FOP only to be removed
a few minutes later when it becomes clear that they should not
continue, simply because of the substitution Laws. Somewhere
down the line an avoidable tragedy will occur as a result.
Until the Laws change, medical staff need to be more responsible
and get players off.
[/quote]
Absolutely nothing the referees can do about it though. If the
physio / doctor says the player is OK to continue they can't
overrule that, however much they might think the player isn't
right.
Back when I was playing a team mate had a nasty clash of heads
with an opponent. We didn't have a physio (Sunday league) but
I'd done basic first aid as part of the coaching course, so I
checked him over and he seemed OK. 10 minutes later he started
telling me that his wife was going to kill him as he was going
to be late for the party that night, unfortunately the party was
the one that he had gone to the night before. At that point all
kinds of alarm bells were ringing and I insisted he went off and
he was taken straight to the closest hospital. Just shows how a
proper assessment is needed though, as players can look and seem
OK at first only to then suffer a reaction later.
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