DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
RateTheRef
HTML https://ratetheref.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: General Discussion
*****************************************************
#Post#: 55116--------------------------------------------------
Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: JohnCoyle
Date: November 19, 2022, 5:44 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I was watching an episode of The Big Match Revisited the other
day. April 1980, Chelsea vs. Notts County in Division 2. The
referee was Bill Bombroff. One of the linesmen was a black man
whose name I don't know. I wondered if he was the first BAME
official to be appointed to the Football League.
I don't think he made it to the Football League middle. If he
had I think I would know who he was.
Any ideas?
#Post#: 55152--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: guest42
Date: November 19, 2022, 2:25 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
If they were appointing all three on the same rough geographical
area - it’d be an official from the Bristol area.
I note a copy of said programme is listed on eBay. I’ve
contacted the seller to ask if they could send me a photo of the
team lineups page. If that comes through - I’ll post up details.
#Post#: 55155--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 19, 2022, 3:43 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
In 1982 Orient's Tommy Taylor was involved in a controversial
incident stemming from racially abusing a linesman during a 5th
round FA Cup replay against Crystal Palace.
The programme lists the Linesmen as P.K. Helsby and R.J.
Clements, if that's any help. The latter lined in the 1984
League Cup Final. The former was a reserve official for England
v Hungary at Wembley.
#Post#: 55158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: keith h
Date: November 20, 2022, 2:33 am
---------------------------------------------------------
P K Helsby was listed as being from Aylesbury so geographically
it makes it a good possibility as certainly back then most
assistants from that area would have spent much of their time at
London grounds
#Post#: 55163--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: Seagull
Date: November 20, 2022, 5:57 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> In 1982 Orient's Tommy Taylor was involved in a controversial
incident stemming from racially abusing a linesman during a 5th
round FA Cup replay against Crystal Palace.
>
> The programme lists the Linesmen as P.K. Helsby and R.J.
Clements, if that's any help. The latter lined in the 1984
League Cup Final. The former was a reserve official for England
v Hungary at Wembley.
>
--- End Quote ---
R.J. "Dick" Clements was from Tonbridge, Kent. I officiated with
him a few times. The incident you mention must have involved Mr.
Helsby.
#Post#: 55202--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 20, 2022, 11:16 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Peter K. Helsby
born c 1946
married 1974 Carmarthen
F.L. line 76-77 to 88-89
Southsea (Portsmouth)/Aylesbury/Copnor (Portsmouth) - still
there in 2013
4th for ENG v HUN 27.04.1983
He is possibly the same Peter Helsby who is the match secretary
at Bognor Regis Town (21 miles away) - he is the right age but
is not black
#Post#: 55215--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 20, 2022, 12:23 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=4182.msg55155#msg55155
date=1668894183]
> In 1982 Orient's Tommy Taylor was involved in a controversial
incident stemming from racially abusing a linesman during a 5th
round FA Cup replay against Crystal Palace.
>
> The programme lists the Linesmen as P.K. Helsby and R.J.
Clements, if that's any help. The latter lined in the 1984
League Cup Final. The former was a reserve official for England
v Hungary at Wembley.
>
--- End Quote ---
R.J. "Dick" Clements was from Tonbridge, Kent. I officiated with
him a few times. The incident you mention must have involved Mr.
Helsby.
[/quote]
.... or, of course, the officials may not have been as
per the programme.
#Post#: 55232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: November 21, 2022, 1:36 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Have we discovered who the 1980 Chelsea v Notts County lines
were yet?
#Post#: 55241--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: Seagull
Date: November 21, 2022, 5:42 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4182.msg55163#msg55163
date=1668945472]
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=4182.msg55155#msg55155
date=1668894183]
> In 1982 Orient's Tommy Taylor was involved in a controversial
incident stemming from racially abusing a linesman during a 5th
round FA Cup replay against Crystal Palace.
>
> The programme lists the Linesmen as P.K. Helsby and R.J.
Clements, if that's any help. The latter lined in the 1984
League Cup Final. The former was a reserve official for England
v Hungary at Wembley.
>
--- End Quote ---
R.J. "Dick" Clements was from Tonbridge, Kent. I officiated with
him a few times. The incident you mention must have involved Mr.
Helsby.
[/quote]
.... or, of course, the officials may not have been as
per the programme.
[/quote]
Yes, indeed.
#Post#: 55325--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black linesman from 1980
DIR By: ex-ref
Date: November 21, 2022, 4:07 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
If memory serves me right, Pete Helsby was in the Forces.
Possibly Navy as he was based in Portsmouth.
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 2
DIR Next Page