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Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: fatso
Date: December 24, 2018, 2:57 am
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Mike sent off Lewis Dunk for 2 cautions but TV has shown that
the first yellow card should have been issued to Yves Bissouma.
Whilst I understand that given the nature of the challenge with
both players very close to the opponent that the mistake was one
of those things that happen but what I find really frustrating
as a Brighton fan is that there is no appeal against the sending
off due to mistaken identity as it was 2 yellows. There is no
issue with the second yellow card and had it been obvious that
Dunk had been booked then I would not be so frustrated. However
the yellow card was waved in the direction of several players (I
asked my mate who had been cautioned and he did not know) and
Dunk has also said he did not realise he had been cauioned. Had
it been a straight red card an appeal could have been made or if
an incident is missed a red card can be given retrospectively
but no action can be taken for this. We would not have got
anything from the game but we are now missing Lewis Dunk for the
game v Arsenal on Boxing Day. As they say the law is an ass.
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 24, 2018, 3:20 am
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As a long-standing Palace fan, I wouldn't normally say this to a
Brighton fan, but I am in full agreement with you fatso on this
one. Is there no right of appeal in this case or could Mike Dean
not ask for the first caution to be rescinded because of
mistaken identity? As you say, the law is an ass if there is no
right of appeal. Surely Dunk would have a case for taking the FA
to an employment tribunal on the grounds that he was being
denied the opportunity to follow his profession (for one match)
for something he clearly didn't do. Roll on VAR I say.
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: December 24, 2018, 3:51 am
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I think it’s pretty unfortunate for the Wirral card shark in
this situation. The contact initially was a micro second before
Dunk appeared on the scene. There was no chance of the AR
helping as it was the blind side.
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Boz
Date: December 24, 2018, 9:57 am
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I can recall Paul Danson wrongly giving Gareth Roberts
short/fair hair a second yellow rather than Ryan Taylor
tall/dark hair. It was corrected later. Don’t see why Mike Dean
can’t be allowed to correct the mistake (assuming he accepts it
as such) and apply the initial booking to the perpetrator.
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: bmb
Date: December 24, 2018, 11:02 am
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Can the 1st yellow not be rescinded for mistaken identity? It
could be if the 2nd yellow hadn't followed so that should still
be allowed, imo anyway. Completely agree with you Fatso on the
technique used for the 1st booking - we certainly didn't have a
clue who it had been shown to either!
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: ARF
Date: December 25, 2018, 3:53 am
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Yes, you can claim mistaken identity for one or both cautions
when a player has been sent off for a second caution.
At Step 4 and above the only thing you can't do is claim
wrongful dismissal for a sending off for a second caution - at
Step 5 and below you also can't claim wrongful dismissal for a
sending off for OFFINABUS.
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Steelman
Date: December 25, 2018, 10:57 am
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Fairly sure in Scotland the only time you can appeal a yellow is
mistaken identity
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 25, 2018, 1:39 pm
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I had thought that Santa might have appeared and granted Dunk
his wish to play v Arsenal. But no, this is Christmas Day and
nothing happens on CD, and with only 24 hours to go until the
fixture is played, there seems little possibility now of Dunk
being able to take his rightful place in the Brighton team. And
in my view, it is totally wrong that mistaken identity, combined
with a congested fixture list and Christmas Day, should conspire
to deprive a player of his opportunity to play in the PL ???
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: December 27, 2018, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
>
> Yes, you can claim mistaken identity for one or both cautions
when a player has been sent off for a second caution.
>
> At Step 4 and above the only thing you can't do is claim
wrongful dismissal for a sending off for a second caution - at
Step 5 and below you also can't claim wrongful dismissal for a
sending off for OFFINABUS.
>
--- End Quote ---
According to The Sun: the law states: "A claim of wrongful
dismissal may be lodged only for on-field offences which result
in a sending off, except for two cautions leading to a
dismissal."
So Dunk couldn't appeal and presumably didn't play v Arsenal.
Disgraceful!
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Re: Mike Dean AFC Bournemouth v Brighton
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: December 27, 2018, 6:29 pm
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Would this fall under the grounds of mistaken identity or just
thinking a player had committed a foul when he hadn't? There
seems a slight distinction between the two with the latter
happening quite frequently.
If the referee sees a shirt pull which is from Player X and he
mistakenly cautions Player Y then that is obviously mistaken
identity.
If the referee misses the shirt pull from Player X though but
thinks Player Y makes a body check immediately after, even if he
actually didn't, and cautions Player Y for that then that seems
a slightly different issue.
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