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#Post#: 54319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: October 27, 2022, 5:39 am
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> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4110.msg54312#msg54312
date=1666859536]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4110.msg54309#msg54309
date=1666853179]
> The line is drawn from the ball - it only matters whether Kane
is ahead or behind that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Although the line should be drawn through the ball in this
situation, the still frame below suggests otherwise with Kane
appearing to be behind the ball (and, therefore, not in an
offside position, i.e. he's not nearer the opponents' goal line
than the ball when the ball is played) when it was headed
towards him.
[/quote]
It's all about angles [emoji6]
[/quote]
It's not quite all about angles, it's also about timing. This
image suggests the offside call is right but is this the instant
at which Emerson Royal headed the ball? It's impossible from
this image to know whether it was or whether this was just
before or just after contact was made.
#Post#: 54320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 27, 2022, 5:40 am
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--- Quote from: dave26 link ---
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> I thought Makkelie was superb throughout as was his assistants
, he appeared to be the calmest person in the stadium and showed
why for me is the worlds number one referee
>
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I agree 100% with this part. Couple of great calls from Jan in
the first half in particular. Not humanly possible for Hessel or
Danny to be able to see the Kane off side in real time. It was a
correct call within the LOTG. Whether the LOTG are at fault is a
whole different debate - team ref got the call right within the
current LOTG and that's all we can ask of them.
#Post#: 54322--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: ajb95
Date: October 27, 2022, 6:02 am
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For me it’s definitely offside and correctly awarded. But I’m
not convinced the images PROVING this to be the case, I.e. the
video and the stills provided on the night at the time, do this
accurately.
Are we surprised players coaches and pundits don’t know the LOTG
??
#Post#: 54324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: guest644
Date: October 27, 2022, 7:48 am
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If they had a proper SAOT in place, nobody would even discuss
this decision, wouldn’t they…
#Post#: 54325--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: Seagull
Date: October 27, 2022, 8:30 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4110.msg54312#msg54312
date=1666859536]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4110.msg54309#msg54309
date=1666853179]
> The line is drawn from the ball - it only matters whether Kane
is ahead or behind that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Although the line should be drawn through the ball in this
situation, the still frame below suggests otherwise with Kane
appearing to be behind the ball (and, therefore, not in an
offside position, i.e. he's not nearer the opponents' goal line
than the ball when the ball is played) when it was headed
towards him.
[/quote]
The line gets drawn from the front of the ball, not the centre
of it.
[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying bmb. From the other photo with a more
side-on angle, it does seem that Kane was marginally offside.
#Post#: 54329--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 27, 2022, 9:51 am
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--- Quote from: Seagull link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=4110.msg54318#msg54318
date=1666867041]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4110.msg54312#msg54312
date=1666859536]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4110.msg54309#msg54309
date=1666853179]
> The line is drawn from the ball - it only matters whether Kane
is ahead or behind that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Although the line should be drawn through the ball in this
situation, the still frame below suggests otherwise with Kane
appearing to be behind the ball (and, therefore, not in an
offside position, i.e. he's not nearer the opponents' goal line
than the ball when the ball is played) when it was headed
towards him.
[/quote]
The line gets drawn from the front of the ball, not the centre
of it.
[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying bmb. From the other photo with a more
side-on angle, it does seem that Kane was marginally offside.
[/quote]
This picture shows it more clearly - line drawn by me,
perpendicular to the goal line
#Post#: 54332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: Seagull
Date: October 27, 2022, 10:20 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4110.msg54325#msg54325
date=1666877440]
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=4110.msg54318#msg54318
date=1666867041]
> [quote author=Seagull link=topic=4110.msg54312#msg54312
date=1666859536]
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4110.msg54309#msg54309
date=1666853179]
> The line is drawn from the ball - it only matters whether Kane
is ahead or behind that.
>
--- End Quote ---
Although the line should be drawn through the ball in this
situation, the still frame below suggests otherwise with Kane
appearing to be behind the ball (and, therefore, not in an
offside position, i.e. he's not nearer the opponents' goal line
than the ball when the ball is played) when it was headed
towards him.
[/quote]
The line gets drawn from the front of the ball, not the centre
of it.
[/quote]
Thanks for clarifying bmb. From the other photo with a more
side-on angle, it does seem that Kane was marginally offside.
[/quote]
This picture shows it more clearly - line drawn by me,
perpendicular to the goal line
[/quote]
Thanks. Clearly offside.
#Post#: 54340--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: rustyref
Date: October 27, 2022, 11:14 am
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Eric Dier should be absolutely ashamed of himself for standing
berating the referee and shouting it went backwards. A defender
earning around £100k a week and he doesn't know the offside law
that he has to encounter several times in every game. It would
be like a boiler engineer who has just blown up a house saying
that he doesn't know the gas regulations.
#Post#: 54439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Spurs vs Sporting Lisbon - Danny Makkelie
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: October 30, 2022, 2:51 pm
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Thread from Dale Johnson on the incident -
HTML https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1586012297402945537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1586012297402945537%7Ctwgr%5Eb981fb56f65f87866c4025beb5b81344113f240b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frefchat.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Ftop-var-drama.19564%2Fpage-3
Does the World Cup version of the semi-automated system include
ball tracking?
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