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Headlines
DIR By: cwh
Date: October 17, 2022, 10:02 pm
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Headlines this morning
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63281933
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: October 18, 2022, 4:48 am
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I have never understood why Jurgen Klopp is so often held up as
one of the "good guys" when it comes to managerial behaviour.
The photograph above is very similar to one on page 67 of
today's Times. It shows Klopp, his face contorted with rage, one
might almost say hate, in the act of abusing and bullying
Assistant Referee Gary Beswick. It is a truly disgusting image.
Underneath in a comment piece, Peter Walton states that Klopp
must be properly punished which he believes should be a
touchline ban of three matches.
I understand Klopp has "apologised " for his appalling behaviour
but also somehow justifies it by the poor nature of the
officiating his team had to endure. What a mealy mouthed apology
that is. "By their fruits shall ye know them" is an adage which
contains much truth. I would suggest Klopp takes a good long
hard look at these photographs and reflects that his behaviour
is doing dreadful damage to football officiating at all levels
of the game and determines to amend his conduct. Of course he
has a right to be angry if he believes his team have been dealt
with badly by the match officials and there are proper channels
he can use to express that but he has no justification in
expressing his anger it in the way he did and no easy talk about
'passionate natures' and 'fully committed' can excuse it.
Klopp is not alone in this regard, there are other managers who
behave equally as badly and the authorities must ensure that it
stops or soon there will be hardly any referees at grassroots
level left.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: October 18, 2022, 6:49 am
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A further thought. What is so particularly offensive is that
Klopp knows full well that Beswick cannot reply and just has to
soak up the bile. It's one thing to have a full stand up row,
not very edifying but at least both parties can engage and
defend themselves from the verbal onslaught, but directing such
verbal violence towards one who can't answer back properly is
simply bullying. It is vile behaviour and Klopp should be
thoroughly ashamed of himself and, for all I know, perhaps he
is.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: cwh
Date: October 18, 2022, 11:10 am
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Klop has 'apologised'- what a joke!!! - I agree 'apolgies' in
circumstances like this mean absolutely nothing because they are
rarely said genuinely(just like polititians when they are caught
out) and are just 'a performance for the media'and I have yet to
be convinced they actually really mean it
I dispair!!!
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: Guidedog
Date: October 18, 2022, 11:44 am
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Society has come to accept that an apology and a statement such
as “ we have learnt from this and will ensure it never happens
again” is adequate. We have seen it in the NHS, the government
and two major Christian religions, with no one being he’d
responsible for their mistakes. Personally I think Mr Klopp was
wrong, but I can understand the pressure he is under and that
the reaction was to a somewhat poor piece of officiating, for
which, of course, no apology has been given.
I also feel that had Mr Taylor taken action against the
Manchester City manager at the time of the disallowed goal it
may have calmed things down earlier.
Just a thought though, would it not have been better for Mr
Taylor to do Arsenal v Liverpool and Mr Oliver to be appointed
to Liverpool v Manchester City ? The old phrase of justice
being seen to be done comes to mind, and as far as I am
concerned wearing a yellow shirt would not have made the
slightest difference.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: rustyref
Date: October 18, 2022, 12:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Guidedog link ---
>
> Society has come to accept that an apology and a statement
such as “ we have learnt from this and will ensure it never
happens again” is adequate. We have seen it in the NHS, the
government and two major Christian religions, with no one being
he’d responsible for their mistakes. Personally I think Mr Klopp
was wrong, but I can understand the pressure he is under and
that the reaction was to a somewhat poor piece of officiating,
for which, of course, no apology has been given.
>
--- End Quote ---
It was arguably a mistake in a nothing area of the pitch that
didn't have any effect on the game. And an apology is only an
apology if it is without caveats, saying "I'm sorry but ..."
isn't an apology.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: JCFC
Date: October 18, 2022, 2:44 pm
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Now that he faces an FA charge, it will be easy to judge the
sincerity or otherwise of Herr Klopp's apology. If he accepts
the charge and resulting punishment, then we should assume that
it was in good faith - at least until any repetition. Any
attempt to contest or appeal against it, demand a personal
hearing or claim mitigation would inevitably lead to the
opposite conclusion.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: October 19, 2022, 2:37 am
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An excellent point made by JCFC. A guilty plea rightly
ameliorates the severity of the sentence as it is assumed there
is some degree of acknowledgment of the veracity of the charge
and even perhaps some contrition shown.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: nemesis
Date: October 19, 2022, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> Now that he faces an FA charge, it will be easy to judge the
sincerity or otherwise of (Edited not needed) Klopp's apology.
If he accepts the charge and resulting punishment, then we
should assume that it was in good faith - at least until any
repetition. Any attempt to contest or appeal against it, demand
a personal hearing or claim mitigation would inevitably lead to
the opposite conclusion.
>
--- End Quote ---
I guess that's a Herr cut.
Seriously, there is nothing pejorative about that word.
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Re: Headlines
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: October 19, 2022, 10:42 am
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I'll get your coat !
Seriously though it's a very valid point you make. I have always
thought that to refer to someone's title in the language of
their nationality was an act of courtesy.
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