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       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: October 16, 2022, 1:20 pm
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       --- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
       >
       > Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely
       abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having
       the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.
       >
       > Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       They won’t
       #Post#: 53818--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Scally Bob
       Date: October 16, 2022, 3:07 pm
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       I thought Anthony Taylor was very poor today. For starters the
       obvious foul in the build-up to the disallowed goal shouldn’t
       need VAR intervention; he played a non-advantage when the City
       player had committed a yellow card offence to avoid a red card;
       and the clear foul on Salah that caused the red car for Klopp
       was ridiculous. A pity he wasn’t so concerned when he was
       harranged by City players when going to the monitor.
       There were numerous other things incidents and I didn’t think he
       was at all consistent. The bes we’ve got two weeks running have
       been dreadful.
       #Post#: 53821--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Jtd508110
       Date: October 16, 2022, 4:07 pm
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       I thought Taylor contributed to the game being as much of a
       spectacle that it was. However I thought that he should have
       send Guardiola packing for his protests when he went over to the
       VAR screen. He seemed to lose control of the game after this
       incident.
       I was also disappointed with Gary Beswick's performance, not
       only with the Salah foul, but also his positioning with the
       defensive line on a couple of occasions.
       #Post#: 53832--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: lincs22
       Date: October 17, 2022, 1:52 am
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       --- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
       >
       > Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely
       abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having
       the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.
       >
       > Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       So, at grassroots level, he would charged with an aggravated
       breach for the verbal assault. The guidelines are 6 to 12
       matches.
       Roy Keene, saying he is showing passion for his team, is as
       helpful as a fart in a spacesuit..... Grassroots referees are
       quitting every week after they get at weekends. And given the
       the Merseyside Youth Football League cancelled all their matches
       this weekend for abuse towards referees.
       What do we think the ban we will get should be?
       I will start - 6 weeks, so effectively he can until after the
       World Cup off. And 3 weeks of being banned from all football
       places (including the training ground). If the FA want to help
       grassroots football, here is a prefect example.
       #Post#: 53835--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Failed Ref
       Date: October 17, 2022, 2:26 am
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       It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but
       their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored
       fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own
       dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point
       everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively
       ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led
       to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what
       referees should look back at - could I have done something to
       avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have
       flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under
       instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal,
       Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the
       incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because
       he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me
       speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing
       in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to
       make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the
       decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be
       corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a
       corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the
       phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
       What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges
       (even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad
       reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges
       in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle.
       Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what
       are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you
       determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG
       does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)?
       How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is
       happening?
       Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and
       his action should be roundly condemned.
       Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals
       me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to
       authority) is alarming. I despair.
       #Post#: 53840--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: October 17, 2022, 3:23 am
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       --- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
       >
       > It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but
       their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored
       fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own
       dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point
       everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively
       ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led
       to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what
       referees should look back at - could I have done something to
       avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have
       flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under
       instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal,
       Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the
       incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because
       he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me
       speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing
       in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to
       make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the
       decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be
       corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a
       corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the
       phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
       > What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges
       (even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad
       reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges
       in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle.
       Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what
       are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you
       determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG
       does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)?
       How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is
       happening?
       > Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and
       his action should be roundly condemned.
       > Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals
       me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to
       authority) is alarming. I despair.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I was reffing so only saw the 2nd half so cannot comment on what
       happened in the 1st period. But I too thought Taylor was poor,
       and made a rod for his own back. But that is what Taylor does.
       Looks great when it goes well, but like yesterday fails badly
       when it doesn’t. Fair play he let a lot of fouls go to try and
       enhance the spectacle, but led to a loss of control and a clear
       KMI mistake. Once he lost control he lost all consistency and
       there did seem to be more free kicks to City than Liverpool. I’m
       all for letting soft free kicks go and getting on with the game,
       but ignoring clear free kick offences adds nothing. Indeed, I
       counted 5 occasions where a Liverpool player was pulled back and
       nothing given.
       The goal for city is a clear foul one I would expect a level 7
       to pick up. It should have been a corner to Liverpool in the
       first instance anyway.
       #Post#: 53847--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Failed Ref
       Date: October 17, 2022, 4:27 am
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       Jurgen Klopp red card among incidents prompting referee charity
       to call for inquiry into managers - BBC headline. Tomorrow's
       fish and chip paper, discarded and forgotten. Premiership rugby
       had real issues and only 2 failed clubs brought the RFU and
       Premiership rugby to their senses, but self-interest will risk
       ruining lower-level rugby. Likewise, regarding referee's abuse.
       It requires real intervention in a game that is uncontrollable,
       off limits. Too much financial power. Incidentally, Taylor was
       surrounded by more than 5 Liverpool players when he allowed the
       City goal. Handled well, like VAR will sort it out, again a poor
       decision led to poor player behaviour.
       Taylor less than proficiently applied the laws of the game. If a
       team repeatedly fouls, do what rugby does, 15 minutes on the
       naughty step for repeated team offences. 5 pull backs, last
       offender is off.
       #Post#: 53849--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Ivanhoe
       Date: October 17, 2022, 5:22 am
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       Taylor again missing basic incidents, how do you not see the
       corner that wasn't given, he misses a lot of those.
       VAR bails him out again on the City goal or does it ?  If you
       are going to set a standard where you ignore minor pulling and a
       few pushes then you have to be consistent. I'd have been more
       impressed if he had stuck by the decision to give the goal
       originally as it was more in context with what had gone on
       previously. As a poster correctly pointed out earlier, once the
       goal is disallowed you then have have a real problem with the
       level of tolerance from that point as it is inconsistent with
       the officiating to that point.
       #Post#: 53855--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: bmb
       Date: October 17, 2022, 7:11 am
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       I have sent you a PM TTFL
       #Post#: 53884--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C 
   DIR By: Affy_Moose
       Date: October 17, 2022, 12:21 pm
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       Horrible game to officiate.
       Couple of points: it was a foul leading up the goal, but
       regardless of anyone’s view on that, the goal would not have
       stood as Alisson clearly had control of the ball before it was
       knocked out of his hand. It wasn’t checked before the foul
       before made it irrelevant.
       Also, those bemoaning the corner that never was. That’s frankly
       absurdly harsh. The ball moved a tiny amount, but over 12-15
       yards, that was enough to move it past the post. Anyone who has
       ever officiated at any level can have great sympathy with that.
       I assume Taylor judged Salah and the City full back both to be
       holding one another. Yes, it’s an ‘easy’ one to give, but that’s
       usually what is the difference been a good and a great referee.
       I’m certainly not going to dwell on it.
       Regardless of that, both managers had their unacceptable moments
       (Pep during the goal review). Good to see one incident being
       dealt with appropriately (and Klopp to his credit seems to have
       accepted it well).
       All in all, it’s a horrible match to officiate, and I’m not sure
       a much more officious approach would have improved things
       (perhaps beyond creating more space by making it 9-a-side).
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