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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: ajb95
Date: October 16, 2022, 1:20 pm
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely
abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having
the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.
>
> Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.
>
--- End Quote ---
They won’t
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: October 16, 2022, 3:07 pm
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I thought Anthony Taylor was very poor today. For starters the
obvious foul in the build-up to the disallowed goal shouldn’t
need VAR intervention; he played a non-advantage when the City
player had committed a yellow card offence to avoid a red card;
and the clear foul on Salah that caused the red car for Klopp
was ridiculous. A pity he wasn’t so concerned when he was
harranged by City players when going to the monitor.
There were numerous other things incidents and I didn’t think he
was at all consistent. The bes we’ve got two weeks running have
been dreadful.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Jtd508110
Date: October 16, 2022, 4:07 pm
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I thought Taylor contributed to the game being as much of a
spectacle that it was. However I thought that he should have
send Guardiola packing for his protests when he went over to the
VAR screen. He seemed to lose control of the game after this
incident.
I was also disappointed with Gary Beswick's performance, not
only with the Salah foul, but also his positioning with the
defensive line on a couple of occasions.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: lincs22
Date: October 17, 2022, 1:52 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
>
> Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely
abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having
the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.
>
> Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, at grassroots level, he would charged with an aggravated
breach for the verbal assault. The guidelines are 6 to 12
matches.
Roy Keene, saying he is showing passion for his team, is as
helpful as a fart in a spacesuit..... Grassroots referees are
quitting every week after they get at weekends. And given the
the Merseyside Youth Football League cancelled all their matches
this weekend for abuse towards referees.
What do we think the ban we will get should be?
I will start - 6 weeks, so effectively he can until after the
World Cup off. And 3 weeks of being banned from all football
places (including the training ground). If the FA want to help
grassroots football, here is a prefect example.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: October 17, 2022, 2:26 am
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It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but
their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored
fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own
dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point
everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively
ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led
to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what
referees should look back at - could I have done something to
avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have
flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under
instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal,
Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the
incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because
he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me
speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing
in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to
make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the
decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be
corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a
corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the
phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges
(even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad
reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges
in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle.
Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what
are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you
determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG
does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)?
How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is
happening?
Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and
his action should be roundly condemned.
Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals
me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to
authority) is alarming. I despair.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: ajb95
Date: October 17, 2022, 3:23 am
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
>
> It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but
their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored
fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own
dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point
everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively
ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led
to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what
referees should look back at - could I have done something to
avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have
flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under
instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal,
Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the
incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because
he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me
speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing
in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to
make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the
decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be
corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a
corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the
phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
> What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges
(even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad
reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges
in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle.
Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what
are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you
determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG
does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)?
How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is
happening?
> Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and
his action should be roundly condemned.
> Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals
me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to
authority) is alarming. I despair.
>
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I was reffing so only saw the 2nd half so cannot comment on what
happened in the 1st period. But I too thought Taylor was poor,
and made a rod for his own back. But that is what Taylor does.
Looks great when it goes well, but like yesterday fails badly
when it doesn’t. Fair play he let a lot of fouls go to try and
enhance the spectacle, but led to a loss of control and a clear
KMI mistake. Once he lost control he lost all consistency and
there did seem to be more free kicks to City than Liverpool. I’m
all for letting soft free kicks go and getting on with the game,
but ignoring clear free kick offences adds nothing. Indeed, I
counted 5 occasions where a Liverpool player was pulled back and
nothing given.
The goal for city is a clear foul one I would expect a level 7
to pick up. It should have been a corner to Liverpool in the
first instance anyway.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: October 17, 2022, 4:27 am
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Jurgen Klopp red card among incidents prompting referee charity
to call for inquiry into managers - BBC headline. Tomorrow's
fish and chip paper, discarded and forgotten. Premiership rugby
had real issues and only 2 failed clubs brought the RFU and
Premiership rugby to their senses, but self-interest will risk
ruining lower-level rugby. Likewise, regarding referee's abuse.
It requires real intervention in a game that is uncontrollable,
off limits. Too much financial power. Incidentally, Taylor was
surrounded by more than 5 Liverpool players when he allowed the
City goal. Handled well, like VAR will sort it out, again a poor
decision led to poor player behaviour.
Taylor less than proficiently applied the laws of the game. If a
team repeatedly fouls, do what rugby does, 15 minutes on the
naughty step for repeated team offences. 5 pull backs, last
offender is off.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Ivanhoe
Date: October 17, 2022, 5:22 am
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Taylor again missing basic incidents, how do you not see the
corner that wasn't given, he misses a lot of those.
VAR bails him out again on the City goal or does it ? If you
are going to set a standard where you ignore minor pulling and a
few pushes then you have to be consistent. I'd have been more
impressed if he had stuck by the decision to give the goal
originally as it was more in context with what had gone on
previously. As a poster correctly pointed out earlier, once the
goal is disallowed you then have have a real problem with the
level of tolerance from that point as it is inconsistent with
the officiating to that point.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: bmb
Date: October 17, 2022, 7:11 am
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I have sent you a PM TTFL
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: October 17, 2022, 12:21 pm
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Horrible game to officiate.
Couple of points: it was a foul leading up the goal, but
regardless of anyone’s view on that, the goal would not have
stood as Alisson clearly had control of the ball before it was
knocked out of his hand. It wasn’t checked before the foul
before made it irrelevant.
Also, those bemoaning the corner that never was. That’s frankly
absurdly harsh. The ball moved a tiny amount, but over 12-15
yards, that was enough to move it past the post. Anyone who has
ever officiated at any level can have great sympathy with that.
I assume Taylor judged Salah and the City full back both to be
holding one another. Yes, it’s an ‘easy’ one to give, but that’s
usually what is the difference been a good and a great referee.
I’m certainly not going to dwell on it.
Regardless of that, both managers had their unacceptable moments
(Pep during the goal review). Good to see one incident being
dealt with appropriately (and Klopp to his credit seems to have
accepted it well).
All in all, it’s a horrible match to officiate, and I’m not sure
a much more officious approach would have improved things
(perhaps beyond creating more space by making it 9-a-side).
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