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#Post#: 53226--------------------------------------------------
Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: rustyref
Date: October 2, 2022, 4:53 pm
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
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> Not watched or seen anything from the game but the reaction
suggests it was a similar game to arsenal vs Man City last
season. One where Attwell was incredibly inconsistent in favour
of one team, resulting in the other side falling out from him.
In fact it’s almost identical sounding.
>
> I like Attwell as a referee he is really capable of being a
top referee, however he has too many of these games when they a
bit challenging.
>
> Michael Oliver showed today that booking players inside one
minute should be done if the tackle deserves it, not doing it
creates issues later in the game.
>
>
> Edit- just seen it and it’s stupid from the Leeds player. But
Attwell looked genuinely confused while giving the card.
>
> It’s this lack of authority and inconsistent decision making
that let’s Attwell down. That’s the difference between him being
a solid referee and a top class referee.
>
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You hadn't watched it but felt qualified to comment, that says
it all.
He didn't look confused, he looked almost apologetic, as in what
on earth did you do that for you idiot.
#Post#: 53232--------------------------------------------------
Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: petetheref
Date: October 3, 2022, 4:11 am
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and this was a
veritable sow's ear of a game. I thought Stuart Attwell was
good - kept control, got pretty much everything right and did
what needed to be done. Not his fault he got 2 sides who did
what they did. In particular, anyone looking for something the
referee did that contributed to the idiotic second yellow card
is looking in the wrong place - player letting himself and his
team down, nothing more, nothing less.
#Post#: 53239--------------------------------------------------
Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: October 3, 2022, 5:55 am
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Having had my Covid booster I watched this game and it is best
forgotten. It was awful, negative and full of pettiness. Poor
old Atwell was stuck between a rock and a hard place and with so
many decisions to make it is inevitable that the charge of
inconsistency is laid at the referee's door. Comparing incidents
is unhelpful as it is judgemental, based on opinion and
furthermore, ignores what the ref actually saw.
Let's judge Atwell in charge of a decent, good spirited game.
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Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: RefMatt
Date: October 3, 2022, 7:32 am
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HTML https://twitter.com/stevenccrosby/status/1576653845048197120?s=46&t=aALQeNyHzWWNxJM9_Uencg
This tweet shows a more blatant attempt to delay a restart but
did not receive a card. This is mandatory, and is also the new
guidance is it not to crack down on time wasting this year?
Attwell set himself up for failure from this moment onwards.
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Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: ARF
Date: October 3, 2022, 8:46 am
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>
HTML https://twitter.com/stevenccrosby/status/1576653845048197120?s=46&t=aALQeNyHzWWNxJM9_Uencg
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> This tweet shows a more blatant attempt to delay a restart but
did not receive a card. This is mandatory, and is also the new
guidance is it not to crack down on time wasting this year?
Attwell set himself up for failure from this moment onwards.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there will be occasions where a caution for delaying the
restart is unavoidable - for example, the attacking team looking
to take a quick free kick and a defender deliberately kicks the
ball away to prevent them from doing so. That isn't the case
here. The ball has rebounded to the player who has committed the
foul, and he has kicked the ball away in annoyance at committing
the foul/being penalised for the tackle he made. No Leeds player
is rushing to get the ball to take a quick free kick. A caution
isn't needed here.
The second caution for Sinisterra is a very clear case of a
player deliberately committing an offence in order to prevent
the opposition from playing - in this case, by failing to
respect the required distance and intentionally blocking the
free kick. A caution is absolutely needed here.
IMO it's comparing apples and oranges.
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Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: October 3, 2022, 9:16 am
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> [quote author=RefMatt link=topic=4018.msg53245#msg53245
date=1664800352]
>
HTML https://twitter.com/stevenccrosby/status/1576653845048197120?s=46&t=aALQeNyHzWWNxJM9_Uencg
>
> This tweet shows a more blatant attempt to delay a restart but
did not receive a card. This is mandatory, and is also the new
guidance is it not to crack down on time wasting this year?
Attwell set himself up for failure from this moment onwards.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there will be occasions where a caution for delaying the
restart is unavoidable - for example, the attacking team looking
to take a quick free kick and a defender deliberately kicks the
ball away to prevent them from doing so. That isn't the case
here. The ball has rebounded to the player who has committed the
foul, and he has kicked the ball away in annoyance at committing
the foul/being penalised for the tackle he made. No Leeds player
is rushing to get the ball to take a quick free kick. A caution
isn't needed here.
The second caution for Sinisterra is a very clear case of a
player deliberately committing an offence in order to prevent
the opposition from playing - in this case, by failing to
respect the required distance and intentionally blocking the
free kick. A caution is absolutely needed here.
IMO it's comparing apples and oranges.
[/quote]
What happened to kicking a ball away = yellow. I remember when
Robin Van Persie was shown a second yellow for doing that in the
UCL Quater final.
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Re: S ATTWELL - Leeds v Villa
DIR By: rustyref
Date: October 3, 2022, 11:26 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
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> [quote author=ARF link=topic=4018.msg53249#msg53249
date=1664804800]
> [quote author=RefMatt link=topic=4018.msg53245#msg53245
date=1664800352]
>
HTML https://twitter.com/stevenccrosby/status/1576653845048197120?s=46&t=aALQeNyHzWWNxJM9_Uencg
>
> This tweet shows a more blatant attempt to delay a restart but
did not receive a card. This is mandatory, and is also the new
guidance is it not to crack down on time wasting this year?
Attwell set himself up for failure from this moment onwards.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, there will be occasions where a caution for delaying the
restart is unavoidable - for example, the attacking team looking
to take a quick free kick and a defender deliberately kicks the
ball away to prevent them from doing so. That isn't the case
here. The ball has rebounded to the player who has committed the
foul, and he has kicked the ball away in annoyance at committing
the foul/being penalised for the tackle he made. No Leeds player
is rushing to get the ball to take a quick free kick. A caution
isn't needed here.
The second caution for Sinisterra is a very clear case of a
player deliberately committing an offence in order to prevent
the opposition from playing - in this case, by failing to
respect the required distance and intentionally blocking the
free kick. A caution is absolutely needed here.
IMO it's comparing apples and oranges.
[/quote]
What happened to kicking a ball away = yellow. I remember when
Robin Van Persie was shown a second yellow for doing that in the
UCL Quater final.
[/quote]
There's never been an offence specifically for kicking the ball
away, that's just laziness on the media's part as they can't be
bothered to quote the correct law. When a player kicks the ball
away after the whistle has been blown it can fall into one of
two categories, dissent by action or delaying the restart of
play. It certainly didn't appear to be dissent, he was more
annoyed at himself than he was Attwell for giving the free kick,
that wasn't the body language of a player dissenting. So that
leaves delaying the restart of play, and I don't believe it did.
No team is likely to be rushing to take a free kick that early
in the game, and with multi-ball it really didn't delay
anything.
And the comparison with Sinisterra is somewhat ridiculous, as he
wasn't sent off for either dissent or delaying the restart,
rather the offence he committed here was failing to respect the
required distance. He didn't delay the restart of play as play
was restarted, it just had to be restarted again because he
wasn't the correct distance away, not in itself always a
problem, but it is when you stupidly stick your leg out like
that.
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