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       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: September 6, 2022, 3:41 am
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       --- Quote from: bmb link ---
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       > How happy is Missy bmb right now!!
       >
       > Thank you appointments peeps [emoji8]
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Just a pity Andre is at stockley park rather than fourth
       official or referee, at least he wont be on yellow!
       #Post#: 52472--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: bmb
       Date: September 6, 2022, 6:28 am
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       --- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
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       > [quote author=bmb link=topic=3959.msg52403#msg52403
       date=1662390419]
       > How happy is Missy bmb right now!!
       >
       > Thank you appointments peeps [emoji8]
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Can you have Coote instead?
       [/quote]
       Very kind of you to offer TTFL but no thank you, I am more than
       happy with the lineup as is, apart from as Claretman points out
       Andr้ as 4O not VAR, which would have been awesome! Nothing
       against James Bell but favouritism is favouritism and all that!
       #Post#: 52480--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Boggle
       Date: September 6, 2022, 11:16 am
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       Interesting to see the very experienced trio of Pawson, Taylor
       and Tierney all involved in West Ham v Newcastle after the
       issues that befell both teams last weekend.
       #Post#: 52484--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: referee12
       Date: September 6, 2022, 12:22 pm
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       Harrington banks Scott and Salisbury in championship sat/midweek
       would have thought they would have had a prem game hopefully
       they get one next weekend
       #Post#: 52491--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: September 6, 2022, 4:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: bmb link ---
       >
       > [quote author=TheThingFromLewes
       link=topic=3959.msg52464#msg52464 date=1662446234]
       > [quote author=bmb link=topic=3959.msg52403#msg52403
       date=1662390419]
       > How happy is Missy bmb right now!!
       >
       > Thank you appointments peeps [emoji8]
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Can you have Coote instead?
       [/quote]
       Very kind of you to offer TTFL but no thank you, I am more than
       happy with the lineup as is, apart from as Claretman points out
       Andr้ as 4O not VAR, which would have been awesome! Nothing
       against James Bell but favouritism is favouritism and all that!
       [/quote]
       Andre will have to send you a pic of him in the var booth
       wearing that colour shirt you love so much bmb
       #Post#: 52493--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: September 6, 2022, 11:38 pm
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       --- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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       > Why is Bramall doing another game?
       > My view is that the first dozen games of the season are
       critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self
       belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so
       the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those
       that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being
       the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can
       gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps
       less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important
       but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big"
       matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get
       games early this season, they should have had more in the latter
       half of last.
       > Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the
       season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next
       season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all
       the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not
       have to learn during the key part of the new season. Moss and
       Dean should not have had some of the games they did if a smooth
       transition to the new season was to be made. Dean should have
       had VAR games to get used to the technology. What do we have
       now? Referees and VARs getting it wrong. It would have been
       better if they had learnt their mistakes in some of Wolves games
       last season when frankly no-one really gave a fig! And lessons
       learnt then, not know
       > Just my opinion I would add but I see parallels elsewhere in
       life.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees
       shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It
       sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.
       In general, I'm not especially convinced that most games become
       less important as the season goes on. You might eventually get
       to the stage where there's some games that you can describe as
       more mid table but I seem to remember towards the end of last
       season it was pretty rare that happened because a lot of the top
       half had some chance of 7th and Europa League and a lot of the
       bottom half weren't fully safe from relegation until quite near
       the end.
       #Post#: 52494--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: September 6, 2022, 11:49 pm
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       --- Quote from: Rhys147 link ---
       >
       > Overall a good set of appointments. Good to see Chris Kavanagh
       back on PL duty. As expected, the big game has gone to Michael
       Oliver and deserved imo after his performance last Saturday. I
       am happy to see Jarred Gillett as a referee and not a VAR this
       weekend. The only appointment i don't agree with is Andy Madley
       being appointed again.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       If specifically referring to the West Ham disallowed goal, then
       I think Gillett is the more responsible, especially in the
       context of how PGMO seem to direct use of VAR where referees are
       discouraged from sticking with their decision at the monitor. It
       was Gillett who wrongly got involved in the first place and
       Madley then seems to have followed general PGMO guidance. I
       don't know how exactly you should incorporate that into the next
       week's appointments, if at all, but I'm not sure it would be the
       right framework if you essentially said the VARs who make the
       errors should be appointed as referees but the referee shouldn't
       be. You'd almost be creating a template where it was in a VAR's
       interests to make a mistake, although it obviously wouldn't
       manifest itself deliberately in that way.
       #Post#: 52497--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: TVOS
       Date: September 7, 2022, 6:59 am
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       --- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=3959.msg52465#msg52465
       date=1662451864]
       > Why is Bramall doing another game?
       > My view is that the first dozen games of the season are
       critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self
       belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so
       the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those
       that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being
       the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can
       gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps
       less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important
       but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big"
       matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get
       games early this season, they should have had more in the latter
       half of last.
       > Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the
       season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next
       season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all
       the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not
       have to learn during the key part of the new season. Moss and
       Dean should not have had some of the games they did if a smooth
       transition to the new season was to be made. Dean should have
       had VAR games to get used to the technology. What do we have
       now? Referees and VARs getting it wrong. It would have been
       better if they had learnt their mistakes in some of Wolves games
       last season when frankly no-one really gave a fig! And lessons
       learnt then, not know
       > Just my opinion I would add but I see parallels elsewhere in
       life.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees
       shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It
       sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.
       In general, I'm not especially convinced that most games become
       less important as the season goes on. You might eventually get
       to the stage where there's some games that you can describe as
       more mid table but I seem to remember towards the end of last
       season it was pretty rare that happened because a lot of the top
       half had some chance of 7th and Europa League and a lot of the
       bottom half weren't fully safe from relegation until quite near
       the end.
       [/quote]
       Agree with this; SG2 and NL officials are thrown straight in at
       the deep end, so why not SG1? What's the point of them being
       there otherwise?
       #Post#: 52499--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: Fengunner
       Date: September 7, 2022, 7:46 am
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       As an Arsenal fan, not sure we want Mike Dean anywhere near us
       ever again.
       #Post#: 52509--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Sat 10th – Mon 12th SEP 2022
   DIR By: highfieldlatic
       Date: September 7, 2022, 1:20 pm
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       --- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=3959.msg52465#msg52465
       date=1662451864]
       > Why is Bramall doing another game?
       > My view is that the first dozen games of the season are
       critical to the way the season pans out, team's confidence, self
       belief etc. They are critical in how the season develops and so
       the best experienced referees (and VARs) should get them. Those
       that have used VAR, experienced big match occasions and being
       the centre of attention. Thereafter during the season you can
       gradually introduce newer referees to games which are perhaps
       less critical, mid table if you get my drift. Still important
       but after a dozen games you generally know which games are "big"
       matches. While it is nice to see inexperienced referees get
       games early this season, they should have had more in the latter
       half of last.
       > Last season the PGMOL knew who was retiring at the end of the
       season, knew who the VARs would be at the start of the next
       season and rather than stick with the old guard, introduce all
       the new or likely new referees gradually so that they do not
       have to learn during the key part of the new season.llels
       elsewhere in life.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't really agree with the suggestion that newer referees
       shouldn't be used for the first few months of the season. It
       sounds like he did well in his first game so deserves a second.
       [/quote]
       So basically you're saying the approach with the new SG1 members
       last year is the correct one to follow, even though that
       approach was widely and frequently criticised on this forum.  I
       think you're in a minority of one with that!!
       Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga
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