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       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: Rhys147
       Date: September 4, 2022, 1:13 pm
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       As a Man Utd fan, i'm happy Arsenal's goal was disallowed but
       looking at it from a neutral perspective, i do think that it was
       very harsh to disallow it as in real time i didn't think it was
       a foul and even on the replay i still wasn't convinced it was a
       foul. However, i thought Paul Tierney had one of his better
       games and he can be pleased with his performance overall.
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       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: September 4, 2022, 1:18 pm
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       I am worried on two fronts:
       1. The foul that VAR took several minutes to identify should
       have been picked up by the referee.  Another SG1 official unable
       or too afraid to make a decision that would have been his bread
       and butter before VAR muddied the waters.
       2. With his new (lack of) hairstyle Paul Tierney looks
       suspiciously like Iain Duncan-Smith.
       Perhaps the two are in some way connected?
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       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: tef
       Date: September 4, 2022, 1:26 pm
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       I have an issue with the disallowed goal for two reasons; most
       definitely not “clear and obvious” , so should be outside the
       scope of VAR under PGMOL’s guidelines. And also, what happened
       to the higher physicality threshold that was briefed to the
       media at the start of the season? Has that now gone out the
       window? Are there different physicality rules for normal play vs
       those that lead to goals? Are they panicking after what happened
       yesterday? Either way, it’s a total mess. Can Webb start
       tomorrow to try and sort this out?
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       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: Joecphillips
       Date: September 4, 2022, 1:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: tef link ---
       >
       > I have an issue with the disallowed goal for two reasons; most
       definitely not “clear and obvious” , so should be outside the
       scope of VAR under PGMOL’s guidelines. And also, what happened
       to the higher physicality threshold that was briefed to the
       media at the start of the season? Has that now gone out the
       window? Are there different physicality rules for normal play vs
       those that lead to goals? Are they panicking after what happened
       yesterday? Either way, it’s a total mess. Can Webb start
       tomorrow to try and sort this out?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It’s the normal play v leading to goals, similar decision last
       week
       #Post#: 52359--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: September 4, 2022, 1:37 pm
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       For me, it’s a clear foul, particularly given the way Tierney
       was refereeing the game. Similar incidents, particularly the
       ones on arsenal players, were being given. However, is it clear
       and obvious? Not sure it is. I agree with the poster above that
       VAR shouldn’t be getting involved unless it’s in the penalty
       box. Surprised no action taken against the arsenal player for
       the foul on the build up to united’s first goal.
       Tierney is weak. Doesn’t deal with dissent, and has no rapport
       with the players. Should have taken action against the arsenal
       players for trying to influence him when he went to the monitor.
       Also, a lot of times Jesus doesn’t look at the ball but plays
       the man but only 1 free kick given to United in the second half.
       Not convinced by Tierney as an elite referee I’m afraid
       #Post#: 52361--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: Readingfan
       Date: September 4, 2022, 3:05 pm
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       --- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
       >
       > For me, it’s a clear foul, particularly given the way Tierney
       was refereeing the game. Similar incidents, particularly the
       ones on arsenal players, were being given. However, is it clear
       and obvious? Not sure it is. I agree with the poster above that
       VAR shouldn’t be getting involved unless it’s in the penalty
       box. Surprised no action taken against the arsenal player for
       the foul on the build up to united’s first goal.
       >
       > Tierney is weak. Doesn’t deal with dissent, and has no rapport
       with the players. Should have taken action against the arsenal
       players for trying to influence him when he went to the monitor.
       >
       > Also, a lot of times Jesus doesn’t look at the ball but plays
       the man but only 1 free kick given to United in the second half.
       >
       > Not convinced by Tierney as an elite referee I’m afraid
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I do think there is a danger of posters going too far the other
       way. After all, the common complaint in PL has been that the bar
       for VAR intervention is too high and the VAR doesn't get
       involved when they really should.
       If you think it was a clear foul then I think you could
       reasonably say it's a clear and obvious error not to give a
       foul.
       And certainly VAR protocol allows fouls to be given at any point
       in the APP even if outside the penalty area and we've certainly
       seen that applied outside England. Again, a regular complaint is
       about the PL deviating too much from rest of world so I think we
       have to be a little careful about what we wish for.
       #Post#: 52366--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: Observeref8
       Date: September 4, 2022, 3:42 pm
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       I agree with a lot of the different views of todays game.
       I was watching NBC coverage today, and they made a valid point
       that if Tierney gives a
       Foul nobody complains because he was 8-10 yards away with a
       clear unobstructed view but he doesn’t give
       It, so Mr Mason in VAR needs to decide if he needs to get
       involved, he decides yes - and there is the problem Today
       Under the new PL guidelines that challenge was a “soft foul” not
       one Tierney gave so Mason should of backed out.
       Lots of dissent going on, and only 1 yellow “Jesus” when it was
       3-1 but he allowed so much constant dissent was not good for the
       image of the PL again, the image of the PL across the world is
       becoming shameful, surely time refs start to get stricter !
       Because we heading towards a rapid decline now with our
       officiating.
       Tierney in general did ok; but it was hard to have confidence in
       his decision making as he looked really weak at times:
       #Post#: 52378--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: September 5, 2022, 2:49 am
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       --- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
       >
       > [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=3954.msg52359#msg52359
       date=1662316660]
       > For me, it’s a clear foul, particularly given the way Tierney
       was refereeing the game. Similar incidents, particularly the
       ones on arsenal players, were being given. However, is it clear
       and obvious? Not sure it is. I agree with the poster above that
       VAR shouldn’t be getting involved unless it’s in the penalty
       box. Surprised no action taken against the arsenal player for
       the foul on the build up to united’s first goal.
       >
       > Tierney is weak. Doesn’t deal with dissent, and has no rapport
       with the players. Should have taken action against the arsenal
       players for trying to influence him when he went to the monitor.
       >
       > Also, a lot of times Jesus doesn’t look at the ball but plays
       the man but only 1 free kick given to United in the second half.
       >
       > Not convinced by Tierney as an elite referee I’m afraid
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I do think there is a danger of posters going too far the other
       way. After all, the common complaint in PL has been that the bar
       for VAR intervention is too high and the VAR doesn't get
       involved when they really should.
       If you think it was a clear foul then I think you could
       reasonably say it's a clear and obvious error not to give a
       foul.
       And certainly VAR protocol allows fouls to be given at any point
       in the APP even if outside the penalty area and we've certainly
       seen that applied outside England. Again, a regular complaint is
       about the PL deviating too much from rest of world so I think we
       have to be a little careful about what we wish for.
       [/quote]
       Believe me,I think it’s incredibly soft, but Tierney made a rod
       for his own back by giving every little petty soft foul in the
       first half. So for consistency reasons only, he had to give that
       as a foul
       #Post#: 52390--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: bruntyboy
       Date: September 5, 2022, 6:35 am
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       --- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=3954.msg52361#msg52361
       date=1662321911]
       > [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=3954.msg52359#msg52359
       date=1662316660]
       > For me, it’s a clear foul, particularly given the way Tierney
       was refereeing the game. Similar incidents, particularly the
       ones on arsenal players, were being given. However, is it clear
       and obvious? Not sure it is. I agree with the poster above that
       VAR shouldn’t be getting involved unless it’s in the penalty
       box. Surprised no action taken against the arsenal player for
       the foul on the build up to united’s first goal.
       >
       > Tierney is weak. Doesn’t deal with dissent, and has no rapport
       with the players. Should have taken action against the arsenal
       players for trying to influence him when he went to the monitor.
       >
       > Also, a lot of times Jesus doesn’t look at the ball but plays
       the man but only 1 free kick given to United in the second half.
       >
       > Not convinced by Tierney as an elite referee I’m afraid
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I do think there is a danger of posters going too far the other
       way. After all, the common complaint in PL has been that the bar
       for VAR intervention is too high and the VAR doesn't get
       involved when they really should.
       If you think it was a clear foul then I think you could
       reasonably say it's a clear and obvious error not to give a
       foul.
       And certainly VAR protocol allows fouls to be given at any point
       in the APP even if outside the penalty area and we've certainly
       seen that applied outside England. Again, a regular complaint is
       about the PL deviating too much from rest of world so I think we
       have to be a little careful about what we wish for.
       [/quote]
       Believe me,I think it’s incredibly soft, but Tierney made a rod
       for his own back by giving every little petty soft foul in the
       first half. So for consistency reasons only, he had to give that
       as a foul
       [/quote]
       Why is it soft? The Arsenal player played the man not the ball.
       #Post#: 52393--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Paul Tierney - Man U v Arsenal
   DIR By: GingerReferee
       Date: September 5, 2022, 6:59 am
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       Starting this off reiterating that I'm an Arsenal fan
       I thought Tierney was really good yesterday, one of his better
       performances, considering I was dreading the combination of him
       and Mason for this game. But Mason of course had to continue the
       poor weekend of VAR decisions. Tierney took so long once looking
       at the "foul", clearly means it's not a foul. Like others have
       said, never a foul anywhere else on the pitch so why now. I
       might be shot down for this but I don't think that is being
       overturned if the other way round. (not that I expect it to be
       but consistency is shocking)
       To round up, Mason poor as always, but surprisingly impressed
       with Tierney with a great advantage for a united goal.
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