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#Post#: 52108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: September 1, 2022, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
>
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
#Post#: 52109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: September 1, 2022, 11:47 am
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My concern about timekeeping is that players can still go down,
feign injury and the clock does not stop right away. Therefore,
timewasting still pays. Perhaps it is in play time that matters?
#Post#: 52110--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Jake the Peg
Date: September 1, 2022, 12:19 pm
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--- Quote from: RefObserver link ---
>
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52107#msg52107
date=1662050008]
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
[/quote]
I know that but the issue of benefit of the doubt was being
completely ignored in this instance. From Eddie Howe after the
match: "I've gone in and asked for an explanation and they've
told me that the VAR officials couldnt decide so based their
decision on the shadows of the two players. I'm flabbergasted."
#Post#: 52112--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: September 1, 2022, 12:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
>
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Because that is the offside law!
The approach to offsides to VAR this season in PL is the same as
last. The attacking and defending lines are mapped out. If they
touch then it is onside, so that is where the benefit now comes
from. The VAR takes what the system tells them - they don't
subjectively apply any benefit of the doubt themselves.
#Post#: 52114--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: September 1, 2022, 2:22 pm
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
>
> [quote author=RefObserver link=topic=3938.msg52108#msg52108
date=1662050095]
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52107#msg52107
date=1662050008]
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
[/quote]
I know that but the issue of benefit of the doubt was being
completely ignored in this instance. From Eddie Howe after the
match: "I've gone in and asked for an explanation and they've
told me that the VAR officials couldnt decide so based their
decision on the shadows of the two players. I'm flabbergasted."
[/quote]
That quote is fake fwiw
#Post#: 52115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 1, 2022, 2:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
>
> [quote author=RefObserver link=topic=3938.msg52108#msg52108
date=1662050095]
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52107#msg52107
date=1662050008]
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
[/quote]
I know that but the issue of benefit of the doubt was being
completely ignored in this instance. From Eddie Howe after the
match: "I've gone in and asked for an explanation and they've
told me that the VAR officials couldnt decide so based their
decision on the shadows of the two players. I'm flabbergasted."
[/quote]
There is no benefit of doubt with VAR and never has been. You
are either on or off, and if you are level you are on.
#Post#: 52121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Leggy
Date: September 2, 2022, 1:51 am
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--- Quote from: Jake the Peg link ---
>
> [quote author=RefObserver link=topic=3938.msg52108#msg52108
date=1662050095]
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52107#msg52107
date=1662050008]
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
[/quote]
I know that but the issue of benefit of the doubt was being
completely ignored in this instance. From Eddie Howe after the
match: "I've gone in and asked for an explanation and they've
told me that the VAR officials
couldnt decide so based their decision on the shadows of the two
players. I'm flabbergasted."
[/quote]
Whilst I might almost be prepared to believe that Eddie Howe
actually uttered those words (but I would need to see him say it
to be convinced); I simply do not believe that was the
explanation he was given.
It is either 100% fake, or EH has gone with what the most recent
US President calls "alternative truths".
#Post#: 52123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: September 2, 2022, 3:20 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52110#msg52110
date=1662052748]
> [quote author=RefObserver link=topic=3938.msg52108#msg52108
date=1662050095]
> [quote author=Jake the Peg link=topic=3938.msg52107#msg52107
date=1662050008]
> Re the disallowed Isak goal. Whatever happened to
> the ruling from last year that the striker should get the
benefit of the doubt? Isak scored with his foot which was
clearly behind the defender. Why should the position of his head
be relevant?
>
--- End Quote ---
Any part of the body that a player CAN score from is used
regarding offside/VAR.
[/quote]
I know that but the issue of benefit of the doubt was being
completely ignored in this instance. From Eddie Howe after the
match: "I've gone in and asked for an explanation and they've
told me that the VAR officials
couldnt decide so based their decision on the shadows of the two
players. I'm flabbergasted."
[/quote]
Whilst I might almost be prepared to believe that Eddie Howe
actually uttered those words (but I would need to see him say it
to be convinced); I simply do not believe that was the
explanation he was given.
It is either 100% fake, or EH has gone with what the most recent
US President calls "alternative truths".
[/quote]
...of course if the conversations in the VAR room were made
public ....
#Post#: 52124--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: September 2, 2022, 3:42 am
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
>
> My concern about timekeeping is that players can still go
down, feign injury and the clock does not stop right away.
Therefore, timewasting still pays. Perhaps it is in play time
that matters?
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed but this would require an external timekeeper. I don't
want to be constantly stopping and starting my watch when
refereeing. It would be a distraction. I find it hard to
believe that IFAB would allow a bifurcation of the Laws between
the professional and recreational games for something as
fundamental as timekeeping. Where are all these extra officials
(and the cash to pay them) going to come from? If it did
happen, where would the line be drawn?
#Post#: 52125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andre Marriner - Liverpool v Newcastle
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 2, 2022, 3:53 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
>
> Whilst I might almost be prepared to believe that Eddie Howe
actually uttered those words (but I would need to see him say it
to be convinced); I simply do not believe that was the
explanation he was given.
>
> It is either 100% fake, or EH has gone with what the most
recent US President calls "alternative truths".
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not prepared to believe Eddie said that at all. It's simply
not the sort of thing he would say. He's always been very
respectful towards match officials.
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