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#Post#: 51936--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: rustyref
Date: August 29, 2022, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Mattref20 link ---
>
> How he didn’t give the foul that lead to the disallowed goal I
will never know! A clear foul by the wolves player
>
--- End Quote ---
Because he hasn't been granted the x-ray vision skill yet? If
you watch the replay the push is between him and the Newcastle
player, he has zero chance of seeing that. That isn't to say
that an AR couldn't have helped him out.
#Post#: 51954--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: Mikael W
Date: August 30, 2022, 6:14 am
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Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
- simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
- ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed as
correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
- missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
- many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
#Post#: 51955--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: August 30, 2022, 7:19 am
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--- Quote from: Mikael W link ---
>
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly only 3 of our referees really deserve the Fifa badge,
Oliver, Taylor and Pawson. To an extent Attwell and Tierney but
the rest are as good as useless
#Post#: 51956--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: August 30, 2022, 7:20 am
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--- Quote from: Mikael W link ---
>
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
If the last sentence of this post is true then senior English
refereeing is indeed in a parlous state but for my money the
poster doth protest too much.So many of our ( FIFA !! ) referees
not up to the standard of 2nd and 3rd divisions of
middle-ranking UEFA nations ! I realise this is just an opinion
backed up without a shred of empirical evidence but I am left
wondering who are these referees? Surely not Taylor and Oliver,
who are regularly appointed to major Finals, neither I would
say Pawson, Kavanagh Attwell or England. So whose left ? Are
Madley, Bankes, Coote really not even 2nd/3rd division standard
in other nations ? Perhaps so but somehow, from what I have seen
from the lower ranking FIFA officials from other Uefa countries
when they have refereed English teams, I doubt it.
I have gone on record as saying FIFA badges are handed out very
easily these days but in England is it so much worse than
everywhere else? Hmmmmm.
#Post#: 51958--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: August 30, 2022, 7:24 am
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3924.msg51954#msg51954
date=1661858098]
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly only 3 of our referees really deserve the Fifa badge,
Oliver, Taylor and Pawson. To an extent Attwell and Tierney but
the rest are as good as useless
[/quote]
To describe Kavanagh and England " as good as useless " is as
stunning a piece of hyperbole as I've read in a fair while in my
opinion.
#Post#: 51979--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: Mikael W
Date: August 30, 2022, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
>
> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3924.msg51954#msg51954
date=1661858098]
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
If the last sentence of this post is true then senior English
refereeing is indeed in a parlous state but for my money the
poster doth protest too much.So many of our ( FIFA !! ) referees
not up to the standard of 2nd and 3rd divisions of
middle-ranking UEFA nations ! I realise this is just an opinion
backed up without a shred of empirical evidence but I am left
wondering who are these referees? Surely not Taylor and Oliver,
who are regularly appointed to major Finals, neither I would
say Pawson, Kavanagh Attwell or England. So whose left ? Are
Madley, Bankes, Coote really not even 2nd/3rd division standard
in other nations ? Perhaps so but somehow, from what I have seen
from the lower ranking FIFA officials from other Uefa countries
when they have refereed English teams, I doubt it.
I have gone on record as saying FIFA badges are handed out very
easily these days but in England is it so much worse than
everywhere else? Hmmmmm.
[/quote]
PGMOL coaches referees who are only able to take a back seat and
never take a game by the scruff of the neck. You can mostly get
away with this in our leagues, but in the conflict heavy games
of - as just one example - Bulgarian football, many of our
officials would sink verrryy badly because they'd have
absolutely idea what to do, how to deal with such a game.
Kavanagh's excruciatingly poor performance in the Real Madrid
vs. Benfica Youth League final, case-in-point. In those leagues
you need charisma, ability to spot (clear!!) SFPs/VCs, stronger
foul recognition to even reach 2nd/3rd division, which I simply
don't see in (too!) many of our officials.
Okay, you can say it is an issue of education/experience of such
intensive games and so on, but: when you don't care about
charisma on the pitch, when you don't really reward courageous
decisions, have club marks even at PL level(!!!), have
incredibly mediocre vetted 'match delegates' people, have the
league essentially run the reffing with no independence,
infuriate protesting players/managers who just want
consistency/decent refs by saying a) at this level, you aren't
just handling a game, you are managing an event s**t and b) 'we
have the best referees in the world' (when even, as an example,
Belarus has better refereeing than us IMO...), and prefer to
focus on identity politics nonsense / trying to control the
narrative through Gallagher, Dale Johnson et al rather than
actually improve the refs(!!) -> this is the perfect environment
to not only encourage, but actively reward pure mediocrity.
PGMOL institutionalises it! They are the enemies of good
refereeing and our officiating will never improve whilst they
are in existence.
#Post#: 51984--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: ajb95
Date: August 30, 2022, 12:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Mikael W link ---
>
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=3924.msg51956#msg51956
date=1661862020]
> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3924.msg51954#msg51954
date=1661858098]
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
If the last sentence of this post is true then senior English
refereeing is indeed in a parlous state but for my money the
poster doth protest too much.So many of our ( FIFA !! ) referees
not up to the standard of 2nd and 3rd divisions of
middle-ranking UEFA nations ! I realise this is just an opinion
backed up without a shred of empirical evidence but I am left
wondering who are these referees? Surely not Taylor and Oliver,
who are regularly appointed to major Finals, neither I would
say Pawson, Kavanagh Attwell or England. So whose left ? Are
Madley, Bankes, Coote really not even 2nd/3rd division standard
in other nations ? Perhaps so but somehow, from what I have seen
from the lower ranking FIFA officials from other Uefa countries
when they have refereed English teams, I doubt it.
I have gone on record as saying FIFA badges are handed out very
easily these days but in England is it so much worse than
everywhere else? Hmmmmm.
[/quote]
PGMOL coaches referees who are only able to take a back seat and
never take a game by the scruff of the neck. You can mostly get
away with this in our leagues, but in the conflict heavy games
of - as just one example - Bulgarian football, many of our
officials would sink verrryy badly because they'd have
absolutely idea what to do, how to deal with such a game.
Kavanagh's excruciatingly poor performance in the Real Madrid
vs. Benfica Youth League final, case-in-point. In those leagues
you need charisma, ability to spot (clear!!) SFPs/VCs, stronger
foul recognition to even reach 2nd/3rd division, which I simply
don't see in (too!) many of our officials.
Okay, you can say it is an issue of education/experience of such
intensive games and so on, but: when you don't care about
charisma on the pitch, when you don't really reward courageous
decisions, have club marks even at PL level(!!!), have
incredibly mediocre vetted 'match delegates' people, have the
league essentially run the reffing with no independence,
infuriate protesting players/managers who just want
consistency/decent refs by saying a) at this level, you aren't
just handling a game, you are managing an event s**t and b) 'we
have the best referees in the world' (when even, as an example,
Belarus has better refereeing than us IMO...), and prefer to
focus on identity politics nonsense / trying to control the
narrative through Gallagher, Dale Johnson et al rather than
actually improve the refs(!!) -> this is the perfect environment
to not only encourage, but actively reward pure mediocrity.
PGMOL institutionalises it! They are the enemies of good
refereeing and our officiating will never improve whilst they
are in existence.
[/quote]
Whilst I agree somewhat, and I agree with everything re the
PGMOL, the obvious difference is that other leagues the referees
body is SEPARATE from the league or is run by the national FA.
In England the refereeing and PGMOL is paid for, led by and
therefore determined by its owners which is the premier league,
not a separate body like the FA.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t the fa is fit for purpose and
refereeing is not great at lower levels but that mantra or
culture starts at the top and filters down, especially when most
of the current crop of level 1 referees work as referee RDO’s,
mentors, coaches and CORE co-ordinators
#Post#: 51986--------------------------------------------------
Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
DIR By: rustyref
Date: August 30, 2022, 12:54 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3924.msg51979#msg51979
date=1661874294]
> [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=3924.msg51956#msg51956
date=1661862020]
> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3924.msg51954#msg51954
date=1661858098]
> Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I
think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game
before it:
>
> - simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly
stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control
>
> - ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed
as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)
>
> - missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear
handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and
rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please
stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling
the ball isn't handling offence...)
>
> - many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre
anglais/Observeref8 (there is hope for our refereeing if you
are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle
>
> So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even
2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
>
--- End Quote ---
If the last sentence of this post is true then senior English
refereeing is indeed in a parlous state but for my money the
poster doth protest too much.So many of our ( FIFA !! ) referees
not up to the standard of 2nd and 3rd divisions of
middle-ranking UEFA nations ! I realise this is just an opinion
backed up without a shred of empirical evidence but I am left
wondering who are these referees? Surely not Taylor and Oliver,
who are regularly appointed to major Finals, neither I would
say Pawson, Kavanagh Attwell or England. So whose left ? Are
Madley, Bankes, Coote really not even 2nd/3rd division standard
in other nations ? Perhaps so but somehow, from what I have seen
from the lower ranking FIFA officials from other Uefa countries
when they have refereed English teams, I doubt it.
I have gone on record as saying FIFA badges are handed out very
easily these days but in England is it so much worse than
everywhere else? Hmmmmm.
[/quote]
PGMOL coaches referees who are only able to take a back seat and
never take a game by the scruff of the neck. You can mostly get
away with this in our leagues, but in the conflict heavy games
of - as just one example - Bulgarian football, many of our
officials would sink verrryy badly because they'd have
absolutely idea what to do, how to deal with such a game.
Kavanagh's excruciatingly poor performance in the Real Madrid
vs. Benfica Youth League final, case-in-point. In those leagues
you need charisma, ability to spot (clear!!) SFPs/VCs, stronger
foul recognition to even reach 2nd/3rd division, which I simply
don't see in (too!) many of our officials.
Okay, you can say it is an issue of education/experience of such
intensive games and so on, but: when you don't care about
charisma on the pitch, when you don't really reward courageous
decisions, have club marks even at PL level(!!!), have
incredibly mediocre vetted 'match delegates' people, have the
league essentially run the reffing with no independence,
infuriate protesting players/managers who just want
consistency/decent refs by saying a) at this level, you aren't
just handling a game, you are managing an event s**t and b) 'we
have the best referees in the world' (when even, as an example,
Belarus has better refereeing than us IMO...), and prefer to
focus on identity politics nonsense / trying to control the
narrative through Gallagher, Dale Johnson et al rather than
actually improve the refs(!!) -> this is the perfect environment
to not only encourage, but actively reward pure mediocrity.
PGMOL institutionalises it! They are the enemies of good
refereeing and our officiating will never improve whilst they
are in existence.
[/quote]
Whilst I agree somewhat, and I agree with everything re the
PGMOL, the obvious difference is that other leagues the referees
body is SEPARATE from the league or is run by the national FA.
In England the refereeing and PGMOL is paid for, led by and
therefore determined by its owners which is the premier league,
not a separate body like the FA.
[/quote]
Don't think that is technically correct. My understanding is
that PGMOL is under joint ownership and guidance / management of
the EPL, EFL, and FA.
Still probably not right, and should be wholly under the FA,
with competition paying to fund the match officials based on the
level they operate at.
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