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Re: Officials pay
DIR By: lincs22
Date: July 25, 2022, 6:43 am
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--- Quote from: DBLTFC link ---
>
> "There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you,
but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money
at all levels of professional football to justify a decent
officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and
pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money
and a pathway increases standards.
>
> This is what I would do... we need to start paying these
people properly
>
> 18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match
(£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
> 32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
> 4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match
>
> 20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a
4th)
> 36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match
>
> 36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match
(£200 as a 4th)
> 60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match
>
> 20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per
match
> 36 x National League assistants - £125 per match
>
> That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in
comparison to everything else in the game.
>
--- End Quote ---
The costings are quite that simply. Apart from their pay, the
officials would want
-- a 2-3 years guaranteed contract
- pension contributions
- company car (which woudl be cheaper than mileage claims)
- health insurance
- etc, etc. etc
When FT referees were first discussed by the EPL, it was in the
mid 1990's. They would have had a £60K contract for 2 years,
car, etc, etc. Not an unreasonable deal.
Ken Bates came along and said we are not paying them that, we
want to spend our money on our teams ..... or words to that
effect. It never changes, the clubs will think it is too
expensive what solution the referees want.
The NFL (the richest game in the world) plays it referees
$205,000 + for a 20 game season - so, converting would mean the
EPL officials are being underpaid.
#Post#: 50370--------------------------------------------------
Re: Officials pay
DIR By: Leggy
Date: July 25, 2022, 9:24 am
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--- Quote from: lincs22 link ---
>
> [quote author=DBLTFC link=topic=3818.msg50319#msg50319
date=1658570766]
> "There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you,
but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money
at all levels of professional football to justify a decent
officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and
pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money
and a pathway increases standards.
>
> This is what I would do... we need to start paying these
people properly
>
> 18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match
(£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
> 32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
> 4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match
>
> 20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a
4th)
> 36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match
>
> 36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match
(£200 as a 4th)
> 60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match
>
> 20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per
match
> 36 x National League assistants - £125 per match
>
> That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in
comparison to everything else in the game.
>
--- End Quote ---
For a number of people I know at Level 2A , these salary levels
would not be sufficient for them to leave their full-time
employment. They are in professional practices and will be
earning well above these levels now, with the opportunities to
continue their career. Leaving to join as a FT referee would
kill that career development. The FA/PMGOL need to decide if
they want the best officials or the most available officials
which they can train up. This has been the decision for a number
of years..
Joe Worrell had to take a huge pay cut to become a FT referee in
the beginning of the EPL. He was a partner in a firm of
Chartered Accountants ... I don't think a person in their late
20's would make that choice now, they would stay as they are.
that is why so many referees coming up have jobs within the
CFA's.
[/quote]
Joe Worrall retired in 1995. Premier League referees only went
full-time six years later.
#Post#: 50439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Officials pay
DIR By: DBLTFC
Date: July 29, 2022, 12:58 pm
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--- Quote from: lincs22 link ---
>
> [quote author=DBLTFC link=topic=3818.msg50319#msg50319
date=1658570766]
> "There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you,
but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money
at all levels of professional football to justify a decent
officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and
pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money
and a pathway increases standards.
>
> This is what I would do... we need to start paying these
people properly
>
> 18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match
(£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
> 32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
> 4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match
>
> 20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a
4th)
> 36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match
>
> 36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match
(£200 as a 4th)
> 60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match
>
> 20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per
match
> 36 x National League assistants - £125 per match
>
> That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in
comparison to everything else in the game.
>
--- End Quote ---
The costings are quite that simply. Apart from their pay, the
officials would want
-- a 2-3 years guaranteed contract
- pension contributions
- company car (which woudl be cheaper than mileage claims)
- health insurance
- etc, etc. etc
When FT referees were first discussed by the EPL, it was in the
mid 1990's. They would have had a £60K contract for 2 years,
car, etc, etc. Not an unreasonable deal.
Ken Bates came along and said we are not paying them that, we
want to spend our money on our teams ..... or words to that
effect. It never changes, the clubs will think it is too
expensive what solution the referees want.
The NFL (the richest game in the world) plays it referees
$205,000 + for a 20 game season - so, converting would mean the
EPL officials are being underpaid.
[/quote]
Wasn't intending to be exact numbers - just a discussion point.
Remember the NFL is worth about 50% more than the Premier
League.
If officials have second jobs, they aren't concentrating 100% on
the refereeing task at hand. I find it tiring enough doing a 50
hour work week without running around being screamed and abused
for 90 minutes on Saturday, at the opposite end of the country.
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