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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: guest308
Date: June 14, 2022, 4:47 pm
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I thought Hungary were outstanding, everyone else on that pitch
don’t deserve to be anywhere near a World Cup.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: rustyref
Date: June 14, 2022, 4:53 pm
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--- Quote from: jacksamuel21 link ---
>
> Never a second yellow in a million years. Don’t think the
first one was a yellow either. Foul detection all game was
random. He has a strange style of if he is going for the card
it’s immediate or he is completely disinterested.
>
> He seems to pick and choose when he gives out yellows like he
did in the UCL final. There was a yellow card worthy tackle on
Kalvin Phillips that he ignored completely.
>
> If he has a game lite that in Qatar he will be packing his
bags after.
>
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The first one means you don't understand current refereeing
regulations. If you smash someone in the face with your elbow
it is a caution at least, doesn't matter how accidental it was.
Watching it real time I actually thought Stones might have been
off for it, that would have been very harsh but not necessarily
incorrect.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 14, 2022, 5:16 pm
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The Hungarian press contingent are all sat in my hotel room,
pálinka's in hand, M4 on the laptop, watching a re-run of the
game in absolute awestruck silence. So far it's looking as good
as it was in the ground.
We know how to party!!
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: June 14, 2022, 5:26 pm
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The Beeb are suggesting that Stones was perceived as having
deliberately stepped across his opponent
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 14, 2022, 5:28 pm
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> Perhaps the referees are tired and that is leading to
mistakes, which appears to be the reason being trotted out for
the players being so rubbish.
>
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I keep hearing/seeing this said but only in relation to England
and by the English media & pundits.Do they honestly believe that
Germany, Italy, Hungary & every other team playing Nations
League games have not also just finished a long season?
As to the referees, they have also finished long seasons and for
those going to the World Cup they are back in training in less
than 2 weeks time followed quickly by pre-season training as
many of the leagues are starting a week or 2 early because of
the international break in Nov/Dec.
No-one's been getting a proper holiday or time off if they are
at International level. Our players looked knackered a couple
of days ago in the last game and travelled the following day to
the UK but they still went out there & gave it their all.
Germany were outstanding as well this eve, Italy - not so.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: June 15, 2022, 3:55 am
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Clearly a huge mistake from someone who I think is an excellent
referee.
I don't believe this falls into the remit of VAR but I believe
it should.
A potential/missed second caution is considered a KMD (Key match
decision) and is reviewed on footage by an observer at Step 2
and above, rightly so as it leaves a team a player short. If a
straight red (given incorrectly or missed) is reviewable by VAR
then surely a second caution should be.
I stand to be corrected if I am wrong but judging on last night
I hope I'm not!
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: guest308
Date: June 15, 2022, 5:03 am
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Fwiw I thought the referees body language after the second
yellow gave away the fact he knew he had made a poor decision,
he looked deflated, I sort of had sympathy for him after that
because many of us have been there.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: June 15, 2022, 5:16 am
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--- Quote from: RefObserver link ---
>
> Clearly a huge mistake from someone who I think is an
excellent referee.
>
> I don't believe this falls into the remit of VAR but I believe
it should.
>
> A potential/missed second caution is considered a KMD (Key
match decision) and is reviewed on footage by an observer at
Step 2 and above, rightly so as it leaves a team a player short.
If a straight red (given incorrectly or missed) is reviewable by
VAR then surely a second caution should be.
> I stand to be corrected if I am wrong but judging on last
night I hope I'm not!
>
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I have sympathy with that view, but ultimately VAR is there to
correct (my words) 'gross miscarriages of justice'. A second
yellow card isn't the same as straight red.
The reasoning is that there is more leeway on cautions, and that
a soft second yellow is no more different than a soft first.
VAR isn't there to review such decisions, only for the limited
list of penalties/goals/red cards/mistaken identity.
It's a pragmatic decision, as well as realistic limitation to
VAR's involvement. That doesn't help defend incidents like
yesterday, but without it, we could be reviewing far too many
decisions in a match.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: Jackinthebox
Date: June 15, 2022, 5:20 am
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I did find it amusing that as Stones walked off he appeared to
ask whether it was being checked or not by VAR.
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Re: England v Hungary - Clement Turpin
DIR By: ajb95
Date: June 15, 2022, 7:20 am
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Turpin reminds me of anthony Taylor, an excellent referee but
prone to clueless random decisions that are crucial match
changing decisions. This is why I rate Oliver and Letexier
better.
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