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#Post#: 49319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: rustyref
Date: June 4, 2022, 5:39 pm
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Not a penalty, and referees giving them are just encouraging
players to go to ground if they feel any contact. Yes there was
contact, but it absolutely did not force him to the ground.
#Post#: 49323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 4, 2022, 7:10 pm
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Hand over his shoulder, holding him down, elbow on his neck and
pushes him down as he's leaning on him.
Keep your hands to yourself and you don't give away stupid
penalties - it's that simple!
#Post#: 49324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: Wollongong Ref
Date: June 4, 2022, 10:47 pm
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In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
#Post#: 49328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: Seagull
Date: June 5, 2022, 4:44 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Soft penalty awarded as some say not wrong, but personally I
wouldn’t have given it.
> What goes around for England as they have benefitted from
equally soft penalties in the last 2-3 years
>
--- End Quote ---
If it's not wrong to award it, should it not be? A decision is
either correct or incorrect and in my opinion, shouldn't be
avoided just because some might think it harsh. As for players
going to ground easily, which they do, "Live by the sword, Die
by the sword" as the saying goes.
#Post#: 49329--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: guest308
Date: June 5, 2022, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: Wollongong Ref link ---
>
> In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
> The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
As long as a soft boiled egg is given to everyone then there is
no discussion, unfortunately it is too inconsistent, more so
with referees of lower competence .
#Post#: 49331--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 5, 2022, 6:09 am
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--- Quote from: Charlieboy link ---
>
> [quote author=Wollongong Ref link=topic=3773.msg49324#msg49324
date=1654400873]
> In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
> The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
As long as a soft boiled egg is given to everyone then there is
no discussion, unfortunately it is too inconsistent, more so
with referees of lower competence .
[/quote]
Ah big team bias towards the mighty Magyars obviously then
🙄
#Post#: 49332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: guest308
Date: June 5, 2022, 6:37 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Charlieboy link=topic=3773.msg49329#msg49329
date=1654422368]
> [quote author=Wollongong Ref link=topic=3773.msg49324#msg49324
date=1654400873]
> In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
> The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
As long as a soft boiled egg is given to everyone then there is
no discussion, unfortunately it is too inconsistent, more so
with referees of lower competence .
[/quote]
Ah big team bias towards the mighty Magyars obviously then
🙄
[/quote]nope no bias and I haven't seen anyone infer it either,
just a lack of consistency with regards to the soft boiled egg !
#Post#: 49333--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: bmb
Date: June 5, 2022, 7:00 am
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--- Quote from: Wollongong Ref link ---
>
> In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
> The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The booing was very disappointing to put it mildly but the
taking of the knee is seen as more of a political gesture than
anything there and when the prime minister makes statements such
as we only kneel before god and the woman we are proposing to it
comes as no surprise. My son has never once experienced racism
in Hungary (or Slovakia, Romania, Latvia and Serbia actually).
He goes out and about with his friends in Budapest with
absolutely no fear of receiving racial abuse, including to
games, both club and country. Yet he gets some racial abuse at
least once every month or 2 in England and other than to travel
to uni he stays at home because doesn't feel safe in England.
I look forward to similar comments from you condemning every
English club the booing occurs at week in week out during the
football season and the racial abuse thrown at players week in
week out.
Racism is wrong wherever it happens but let's not try and
pretend it is just a Hungarian/Eastern European problem, there
is a far bigger problem with it in England than there. England
fans have booed the taking of the knee far more times than has
happened in Hungary, they have booed several other National
Anthems, they sing songs about German bombers when playing
Germany. They have no room to talk about other fans being
disrespectful. Eastern Europe is more xenophobic than racist,
not that that is any better but it's true. Depending on which
country you are in they care more about which country you are
from than the pigmentation of your skin. Hungary love the
Slovaks and Polish but hate the Romanians, everyone hates the
Serbs apart from the Romanians who tolerate them etc. I might
get some 'bozgor' comments in Romania, if they hear me speaking
Hungarian, so might bmb jr but his colour would not come into it
at all. In Hungary I have been asked if I am Roma because I have
similar colouring to the Roma population, that would have bought
me untold abuse if I was Roma. I'm not saying there is no racist
abuse in that region, the right wing ultras sadly show it is
alive and strong there in places but it is more confined to
football terraces than in society at large. It is a global
problem though and not just confined to Eastern Europe.
#Post#: 49340--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: June 5, 2022, 9:53 am
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Whilst out having a pint last night I was understandably
challenged over the penalty.
Not, as I expected, it having been given but how, in the opinion
of my supping colleagues, SG1 Officials had allowed players to
feel able to do what James did and get away with it.
Entitled overpaid prima donnas was I seem to remember the phrase
used to describe them
#Post#: 49354--------------------------------------------------
Re: Artur Dias - Hungary v England
DIR By: TVOS
Date: June 5, 2022, 1:17 pm
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=Wollongong Ref link=topic=3773.msg49324#msg49324
date=1654400873]
> In relation to the penalty, as is said in Australia... a soft
boiled egg is still a boiled egg.
> The booing by the Hungarian children is disgraceful but sadly
not unexpected in eastern Europe where racism appears to be
alive and virulent.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The booing was very disappointing to put it mildly but the
taking of the knee is seen as more of a political gesture than
anything there and when the prime minister makes statements such
as we only kneel before god and the woman we are proposing to it
comes as no surprise. My son has never once experienced racism
in Hungary (or Slovakia, Romania, Latvia and Serbia actually).
He goes out and about with his friends in Budapest with
absolutely no fear of receiving racial abuse, including to
games, both club and country. Yet he gets some racial abuse at
least once every month or 2 in England and other than to travel
to uni he stays at home because doesn't feel safe in England.
I look forward to similar comments from you condemning every
English club the booing occurs at week in week out during the
football season and the racial abuse thrown at players week in
week out.
Racism is wrong wherever it happens but let's not try and
pretend it is just a Hungarian/Eastern European problem, there
is a far bigger problem with it in England than there. England
fans have booed the taking of the knee far more times than has
happened in Hungary, they have booed several other National
Anthems, they sing songs about German bombers when playing
Germany. They have no room to talk about other fans being
disrespectful. Eastern Europe is more xenophobic than racist,
not that that is any better but it's true. Depending on which
country you are in they care more about which country you are
from than the pigmentation of your skin. Hungary love the
Slovaks and Polish but hate the Romanians, everyone hates the
Serbs apart from the Romanians who tolerate them etc. I might
get some 'bozgor' comments in Romania, if they hear me speaking
Hungarian, so might bmb jr but his colour would not come into it
at all. In Hungary I have been asked if I am Roma because I have
similar colouring to the Roma population, that would have bought
me untold abuse if I was Roma. I'm not saying there is no racist
abuse in that region, the right wing ultras sadly show it is
alive and strong there in places but it is more confined to
football terraces than in society at large. It is a global
problem though and not just confined to Eastern Europe.
[/quote]
I don't think anyone was pretending it is just a
Hungarian/Eastern European problem, but this thread is about a
game played in Hungary last night, which was meant to be behind
closed doors, yet which a loophole was found allowing children
and their parents to attend. The subsequent booing of the
England players, whether by the children or their parents,
clearly is a Hungarian problem, which is the point being made.
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