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Re: Liverpool - Everton
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: April 25, 2022, 7:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Affy_Moose link ---
>
> [quote author=Deanspen link=topic=3638.msg47172#msg47172
date=1650832139]
> Stuart did very well in what I would describe as difficult
circumstances.
> Let’s be honest, we have all had ( at our own respective
level) games where you need in the back of your head ( and in
other parts). I thought that overall he had a pretty decent
game. I got the impression that he wanted it to flow but he was
forced to pull it back rather more than he would have liked for
obvious reasons.
> There is no doubt in my mind that he his refereeing better
than ever and the appointment was a nod to his undoubted
development.
> I think Richarlison was lucky to stay on, but we can all nit
pick about aspects of the game that we might have dealt with
differently ( from the comfort of our armchair in a fixture
that 99.999% of us would never get).
> I enjoyed the game, it was entertaining and “spicy “ making it
compulsive viewing for the neutral.
>
--- End Quote ---
You describe the challenges well. Fans often get frustrated
when teams setup as a low block, or when they entertain antics
such as Everton did. Referees suffer the ire of pundits and
fans for 'not getting a grip' of the match, which whilst
appealing, is not a particularly insightful complaint.
The problem with the criticism that often comes their way is
that an overly officious approach turns the game into more of a
farce, and not less so. Cautions for goalkeepers in the first
half lead to red cards in the second, and match control is lost,
not gained.
Perhaps there's a discussion on that subject to be had (just as
there is for dissent etc.) But that's a strategic discussion
for the governance of the game, not for the officiating tactics
of a single match.
From a fans' perspective, I totally get the frustration. From a
referee's perspective, the balance is far more nuanced. A
referee happy carding players like Richarlison for his
playacting and Pickford for his slowness will not keep
officiating these games in the future.
After all, if a team wants to play anti-football (we've seen how
difficult it is to deal with Simeone sides), no amount of
refereeing can cajole them to play football. Perhaps, that's
part of the game.
For the big decisions, no penalty very much correct for me.
Mane caution correct, and Richarlison just the right side of
excessive force to justice yellow too.
[/quote]
Perhaps if a goalkeeper was shown a YC early on for time wasting
(and then perhaps a RC later on) then there would be an element
of "pour encourager les autres" and the problem would go away.
Fans get unhappy because referees do not clamp down early on it.
It's obvious to the crowd when it is happening so it beggars
belief that a referee or any of the other officials don't appear
to notice it. Of course what also normally happens is that no
time time is added on to the first half when it happens. There's
nothing wrong with teams adopting a low block if that's how they
want to play but that is nothing to do with timewasting. Perhaps
referees should YC a goalkeepers when they fall over for no
apparent reason (after catching the ball) or perhaps ask the
physio to give them some treatment as there must be something
wrong with their legs. It's another blatant exercise in
timewasting.
#Post#: 47267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool - Everton
DIR By: Leggy
Date: April 26, 2022, 4:28 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> [quote author=Affy_Moose link=topic=3638.msg47184#msg47184
date=1650878423]
> [quote author=Deanspen link=topic=3638.msg47172#msg47172
date=1650832139]
> Stuart did very well in what I would describe as difficult
circumstances.
> Let’s be honest, we have all had ( at our own respective
level) games where you need in the back of your head ( and in
other parts). I thought that overall he had a pretty decent
game. I got the impression that he wanted it to flow but he was
forced to pull it back rather more than he would have liked for
obvious reasons.
> There is no doubt in my mind that he his refereeing better
than ever and the appointment was a nod to his undoubted
development.
> I think Richarlison was lucky to stay on, but we can all nit
pick about aspects of the game that we might have dealt with
differently ( from the comfort of our armchair in a fixture
that 99.999% of us would never get).
> I enjoyed the game, it was entertaining and “spicy “ making it
compulsive viewing for the neutral.
>
--- End Quote ---
You describe the challenges well. Fans often get frustrated
when teams setup as a low block, or when they entertain antics
such as Everton did. Referees suffer the ire of pundits and
fans for 'not getting a grip' of the match, which whilst
appealing, is not a particularly insightful complaint.
The problem with the criticism that often comes their way is
that an overly officious approach turns the game into more of a
farce, and not less so. Cautions for goalkeepers in the first
half lead to red cards in the second, and match control is lost,
not gained.
Perhaps there's a discussion on that subject to be had (just as
there is for dissent etc.) But that's a strategic discussion
for the governance of the game, not for the officiating tactics
of a single match.
From a fans' perspective, I totally get the frustration. From a
referee's perspective, the balance is far more nuanced. A
referee happy carding players like Richarlison for his
playacting and Pickford for his slowness will not keep
officiating these games in the future.
After all, if a team wants to play anti-football (we've seen how
difficult it is to deal with Simeone sides), no amount of
refereeing can cajole them to play football. Perhaps, that's
part of the game.
For the big decisions, no penalty very much correct for me.
Mane caution correct, and Richarlison just the right side of
excessive force to justice yellow too.
[/quote]
Perhaps if a goalkeeper was shown a YC early on for time wasting
(and then perhaps a RC later on) then there would be an element
of "pour encourager les autres" and the problem would go away.
Fans get unhappy because referees do not clamp down early on it.
It's obvious to the crowd when it is happening so it beggars
belief that a referee or any of the other officials don't appear
to notice it. Of course what also normally happens is that no
time time is added on to the first half when it happens. There's
nothing wrong with teams adopting a low block if that's how they
want to play but that is nothing to do with timewasting. Perhaps
referees should YC a goalkeepers when they fall over for no
apparent reason (after catching the ball) or perhaps ask the
physio to give them some treatment as there must be something
wrong with their legs. It's another blatant exercise in
timewasting.
[/quote]
The "pour encourager les autres" argument would work equally
well with dissent, abusive language, feigning serious injury to
get an opponent into trouble and a few other ills that make the
game of football often unedifying to watch when it compares to
other sports (in terms of the way it allows its officials to be
treated).
The sad truth, however, is that any SG referee adopting such an
approach would go missing when the appointments are made and be
out of work at the end of the season. Its not what their
employers and "stake-holders" want to happen.
Perhaps the new independent regulatory authority that the
Government is now promising us will look at this clear and
long-standing conflict of business interest.
PS: I am not holding my breath for (i) this Government to
follow up on a much publicised and trumpeted announcement with
actual action or (ii) this matter being on its agenda if/when it
is ever operational.
#Post#: 47285--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool - Everton
DIR By: jacksamuel21
Date: April 26, 2022, 6:36 am
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More needs to be done clamping down on keepers taking ages for
goal kicks. Yellow cards should be handed out at any point in
the game.
Not sure how only 2 mins where added in the first half with the
'fight' and Richarlison head injuries.
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