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Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Bielsa’s Bucket
Date: February 20, 2022, 10:11 am
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Might just be me with my Leeds head on but wasn’t impressed one
bit by Tierney today. Never felt as though he had any control
over proceedings which the handbags at the end showed. And how
Mctominay stayed on I’ll never know. After what started out as a
good season for Tierney has turned into a poor one since the
Spurs v Liverpool match imo.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: February 20, 2022, 11:23 am
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I saw the first half and my impression was that he seemed very
hesitant and lacked authority. I usually like Tierney, but he
hasn’t been his best this season.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: nemesis
Date: February 21, 2022, 5:03 am
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I really enjoyed this game. Thanks to the officials, players
and, especially, Franklin for reminding me what football was
like before a freekick has to be awarded every time a player
falls over, often of his own volition.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Hadrian
Date: February 21, 2022, 5:25 am
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I tend to find that many of Paul Tierney’s games end up being
brilliant to watch for the neutral and are rather manic affairs.
I’m struggling to put my finger on whether this is because of
him or in spite of him, which suggests it’s more than likely
somewhere in between. He doesn’t exude complete control and his
sanctions can be a bit random but he certainly does like to give
games a chance.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: sastley
Date: February 21, 2022, 6:48 am
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I agree with Bielsas Buckets comments. It appeared that in the
first half Tierney had left his cards at home. Far less serious
offences in the second half received yellow cards.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Failed Ref
Date: February 21, 2022, 7:08 am
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Personally I thought that he was OK in what were very difficult
playing conditions. Trying to set the threshold in those
conditions I would imagine to be difficult.
What made me very angry, and Tierney is not to blame here, is
that a player is allowed to play on having received a serious
head injury. The concussion protocols in football are not fit
for purpose. In rugby, there are independent medical officials
who assess all head injuries - and indeed other heavy contacts -
and if they feel a player should come off for assessment, they
come off. It removes bias by the team's medical experts and the
off field assessment determines whether the player returns. 15
minutes to check that the player is fit and clubs have no say.
I repeat, Tierney is not to blame, referees are not medical
experts and they have to be guided by experts. But football is
still blinkered and driven too much by self interest.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 21, 2022, 7:25 am
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--- Quote from: Failed Ref link ---
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> Personally I thought that he was OK in what were very
difficult playing conditions. Trying to set the threshold in
those conditions I would imagine to be difficult.
> What made me very angry, and Tierney is not to blame here, is
that a player is allowed to play on having received a serious
head injury. The concussion protocols in football are not fit
for purpose. In rugby, there are independent medical officials
who assess all head injuries - and indeed other heavy contacts -
and if they feel a player should come off for assessment, they
come off. It removes bias by the team's medical experts and the
off field assessment determines whether the player returns. 15
minutes to check that the player is fit and clubs have no say.
I repeat, Tierney is not to blame, referees are not medical
experts and they have to be guided by experts. But football is
still blinkered and driven too much by self interest.
>
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I thought we had concussion subs now? I thought the purpose of
them were to play whilst the player with the head injury is
being tested/treated and assessed if fit or not. Of course not
that having them will not stop medical experts deciding they're
not needed.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: February 21, 2022, 8:04 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
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> [quote author=Failed Ref link=topic=3391.msg44333#msg44333
date=1645448926]
> Personally I thought that he was OK in what were very
difficult playing conditions. Trying to set the threshold in
those conditions I would imagine to be difficult.
> What made me very angry, and Tierney is not to blame here, is
that a player is allowed to play on having received a serious
head injury. The concussion protocols in football are not fit
for purpose. In rugby, there are independent medical officials
who assess all head injuries - and indeed other heavy contacts -
and if they feel a player should come off for assessment, they
come off. It removes bias by the team's medical experts and the
off field assessment determines whether the player returns. 15
minutes to check that the player is fit and clubs have no say.
I repeat, Tierney is not to blame, referees are not medical
experts and they have to be guided by experts. But football is
still blinkered and driven too much by self interest.
>
--- End Quote ---
I thought we had concussion subs now? I thought the purpose of
them were to play whilst the player with the head injury is
being tested/treated and assessed if fit or not. Of course not
that having them will not stop medical experts deciding they're
not needed.
[/quote]
You’re right. Concussion subs already exist in any number of
leagues - including the SPFL. I presume they are being used in
England? The fun thing is that each team may use 2 per match,
and the other side gets one in return, so theoretically in a
competition with 5 subs and extra time each team could literally
make 10 changes.
I presume the problem is that clubs want ‘temporary’ subs whilst
a player is being concussion checked. Beyond the obvious
opportunity for dastardly behaviour, it’s not an unreasonable
law change.
All of that said, if a club has 2 concussion subs and it chooses
to risk a player (such as Leeds did) that is a grossly negligent
failure on their part. They shouldn’t need IFAB or match
officials to do anything to be a respectful and competent
employer.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: bmb
Date: February 21, 2022, 8:34 am
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--- Quote from: Affy_Moose link ---
>
> I presume the problem is that clubs want ‘temporary’ subs
whilst a player is being concussion checked. Beyond the obvious
opportunity for dastardly behaviour, it’s not an unreasonable
law change.
>
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That would be more logical, imo. They play whilst the player
with the head injury is properly assessed and if he's fit to
return to the field then they come back off & if not they stay
on. One question is could they then still be used as a normal
substitution or would it rule out any further potential
involvement in the match? I guess also another potential problem
is what if a temporary concussion sub commits a red card offence
during those 15 mins? Obviously the result would be the team
down to 10 men but it would cause a reluctance for clubs to use
them.
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Re: Leeds v Man Utd- Paul Tierney
DIR By: Leggy
Date: February 21, 2022, 10:41 am
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Professional footballers - who would gladly sell their
grandmother to win a throw-in decision - will quickly learn how
to manipulate temporary substitutions to their benefit. We are
already getting players go down with a leg-injury holding their
head at the same time (or as soon as they remember to) in order
to get the game stopped.
Football stops far too often when a player has "a bit of a sore
leg". 21 players and thousands of fans have to wait around
while the "serious injury" is attended to, only to see the
injured player do a reasonable impression of Usian Bolt less
than 30 seconds later. it is the equivalent of me phoning in
sick at work, only to be seen in the local pub ten minutes
later. If the people running the game had a back-bone, they
could eliminate it at the top level in a very short period of
time. Watch the video on a Monday and any player who is so
seriously injured that we need to stop the game who then goes
onto make a Lazarus-like recovery can have a three-game
"recovery period" (ban).
It'll never happen, along with half a dozen changes that are
required to bring the game back to planet Earth and something
resembling a sensible sporting contest between grown adults.
But one can dream .......
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