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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 23, 2022, 5:30 pm
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It was argued at the time that the deflection benefitted Man
City.
Don't think many folk would have complained TOO vociferously had
play been stopped?
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: January 23, 2022, 5:33 pm
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> Unfortunate, but possession hasn't changed and it is very hard
to argue that the touch off of the referee started a promising
attack. It actually made the ball go backwards.
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It’s very unfortunate, as the ball was probably going to be
intercepted. However, as you say, there’s no way that could be
judged to be a promising attack.
If the first City player to touch the ball had instead been
fouled, a caution for SPA wouldn’t be supported, and that is the
equivalent measure.
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: January 23, 2022, 5:37 pm
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> It was argued at the time that the deflection benefitted Man
City.
> Don't think many folk would have complained TOO vociferously
had play been stopped?
>
--- End Quote ---
That’s the difficulty with applying a “Law 18” common sense to a
Law that doesn’t stipulate involvement for mild ‘benefit’. With
foresight, awarding a drop ball wouldn’t have raised any
eyebrows, but neither would it have been strictly correct.
I’m not sure there’s huge value in this clip for coaching,
beyond positioning in the first instance and being ultra aware
of how quickly a move can escalate.
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: January 24, 2022, 12:13 am
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My personal opinion......
Had the player who received the ball from the deflection been
tripped by an opponent as she began her run down the line, I
would have expected a caution for stopping a promising attack.
As such, I believe that play should have been stopped and a drop
ball awarded.
This would also have been perceived as "safe refereeing" by most
and caused much less (no) debate.
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 24, 2022, 1:26 am
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And had the Arsenal defender stayed on her feet rather than
diving in, the attack would have slowed then? A split second
decision which the defender might have done differently with
hindsight
You can bet next time this happens to Ms Byrne the game will
stop.
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 24, 2022, 2:25 am
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The safest option would have been to stop play for a drop ball.
However I do not think the fact the ball hit the referee can be
said to be a major influence in the goal being scored. The
referee actually stopped the ball going forward on an attacking
move and merely set up a different bout of possession by
Manchester City in midfield. It was from that midfield
possession, I suggest, that the new phase of play started which
led to the goal.
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: Rosstheref
Date: January 24, 2022, 12:59 pm
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Safe refereeing. Stop the game!
I'm sure she will be thinking this in hindsight (what a
wonderful thing!)
Isn't this the same ref that was involved in Man City
controversy in the WSL at the start of the season?
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: SuffolkRef
Date: January 24, 2022, 1:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Rosstheref link ---
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> Safe refereeing. Stop the game!
>
> I'm sure she will be thinking this in hindsight (what a
wonderful thing!)
>
> Isn't this the same ref that was involved in Man City
controversy in the WSL at the start of the season?
>
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There was a televised match earlier this season which Bryne took
charge of where there was some controversy. Was it a missed
handball ?
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 24, 2022, 2:32 pm
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Watched again this morning on 'Refwatch'
The ball would possibly/probably have been intercepted by an
Arsenal player had it not significantly changed direction after
hitting Ms Byrne
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Re: Abigail Byrne
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: January 25, 2022, 4:42 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> The ball would possibly/probably have been intercepted by an
Arsenal player had it not significantly changed direction after
hitting Ms Byrne
>
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But that's not relevant. Possession didn't change and the ball
didn't go directly into the goal so the only reason for a
dropped ball, according to Law, would have been if Manchester
City started a promising attack. There is nothing in Law
requiring a dropped ball if one team has simply been
disadvantaged by the ball hitting the referee. Perhaps there
should be.
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