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Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 16, 2022, 7:34 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42946#msg42946
date=1642291322]
> OF course it should of been postponed, everyone else is
allowed to do it, liverpool even lied to get the first leg
postponed, leicester had players at the darts the day they had a
game off, but because it is arsenal everyone is in uproar over
it's like it is one rule for us and one rule for everyone else,
what failed to be mentioned is we had a massive covid outbreak
opening day of the season but we were forced to play we had no
RB on boxing day against Norwich but we played, this is our
first time requesting it and was rightly cooled off, I didn't
see spurs moaning when they had a massive break over Xmas and
they called Rennes had flown over, I am just hoping us and
Burnley are good to go next week as I am attending that match
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool had loads of positive tests, of which most turned out
to be false positives. Arsenal have ONE player unavailable
through Covid, they are taking advantage of the situation to
avoid having to play without their overseas and injured players.
If you look at the statement from the EPL about postponements
it says clubs have to provide proof of injuries and Covid cases,
there is nothing about players called up for international duty.
Yet the statement they put out yesterday about Arsenal not
being able to field a team specifically refers to the players
away at AFCON, they have set a very dangerous precedent here,
and one that is grossly unfair on all those supporters that are
now out of pocket financially.
[/quote]
I presume the article on the PL's website was general guidance
rather than the full rule book. At the time it was posted, there
wasn't any international football being played so they might
just not have thought it relevant to mention at the time. The
article says clubs need to provide a list of players who are
available, either from squad or under 21 players with
appropriate experience, and if a player's in Africa for their
country they're clearly not available for their club.
As for Liverpool, it seems a bit of an odd situation. It would
be concerning if the tests were inaccurate on such a large
scale. I thought Kopp also said the players still had to
continue self-isolating, which presumably they wouldn't if it
had been confirmed as a false positive? I'm sure Liverpool
genuinely had positive test results but I don't quite fully
understand the situation. I thought maybe they just meant
Alexander-Arnold was the only one who actually had symptoms?
#Post#: 42966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 16, 2022, 9:33 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42946#msg42946
date=1642291322]
> OF course it should of been postponed, everyone else is
allowed to do it, liverpool even lied to get the first leg
postponed, leicester had players at the darts the day they had a
game off, but because it is arsenal everyone is in uproar over
it's like it is one rule for us and one rule for everyone else,
what failed to be mentioned is we had a massive covid outbreak
opening day of the season but we were forced to play we had no
RB on boxing day against Norwich but we played, this is our
first time requesting it and was rightly cooled off, I didn't
see spurs moaning when they had a massive break over Xmas and
they called Rennes had flown over, I am just hoping us and
Burnley are good to go next week as I am attending that match
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool had loads of positive tests, of which most turned out
to be false positives. Arsenal have ONE player unavailable
through Covid, they are taking advantage of the situation to
avoid having to play without their overseas and injured players.
If you look at the statement from the EPL about postponements
it says clubs have to provide proof of injuries and Covid cases,
there is nothing about players called up for international duty.
Yet the statement they put out yesterday about Arsenal not
being able to field a team specifically refers to the players
away at AFCON, they have set a very dangerous precedent here,
and one that is grossly unfair on all those supporters that are
now out of pocket financially.
[/quote]
I don't have so much of a problem with Arsenal taking advantage
of the rules, my problem is with the rules themselves and the
lack of parity when dealing with clubs requests. Leeds were
severely depleted a couple/few weeks ago, including several
covid cases, their request to postpone was refused. The ivory
towers didn't also take into account their injuries at the time,
only the covid cases, yet this week they decide to also take
into account players away at an International tournament,
injuries, suspended players and covid. That is unfair. That's
not down to Arsenal but down to a poor system at the top. They
need to tighten up the rules to close any loopholes, I don't
blame any club exploiting loopholes although disagree with them
doing so, if the rules have loopholes then they will be
exploited. They also need to treat all clubs equally - Leeds
were equally as deserving of a postponement than other clubs who
have been granted them.
#Post#: 42971--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: January 16, 2022, 10:31 am
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Leeds apparently didn’t request the game to be off
#Post#: 42972--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: January 16, 2022, 10:34 am
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Which I also disagree with the World Cup is a summer tournament,
always has been if the country hosting can’t host it in the
summer then they shouldn’t be allowed to host it simple as
--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42954#msg42954
date=1642334506]
> I did see it was meant to be played during the summer before
it got postponed and moved to January, and because every other
major tournament is played in the summer so the AFCON should be
the same
>
--- End Quote ---
The World Cup is taking place in November this year, and I think
it's fair to say that's pretty major.
Of course different leagues have their seasons at different
times - June/July is the middle of some seasons in some
countries.
I think they are looking to hold more Afcon's in summer but as
mentioned it depends who host country is and what the climate is
like.
[/quote]
#Post#: 42974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 16, 2022, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=3271.msg42962#msg42962
date=1642338061]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42946#msg42946
date=1642291322]
> OF course it should of been postponed, everyone else is
allowed to do it, liverpool even lied to get the first leg
postponed, leicester had players at the darts the day they had a
game off, but because it is arsenal everyone is in uproar over
it's like it is one rule for us and one rule for everyone else,
what failed to be mentioned is we had a massive covid outbreak
opening day of the season but we were forced to play we had no
RB on boxing day against Norwich but we played, this is our
first time requesting it and was rightly cooled off, I didn't
see spurs moaning when they had a massive break over Xmas and
they called Rennes had flown over, I am just hoping us and
Burnley are good to go next week as I am attending that match
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool had loads of positive tests, of which most turned out
to be false positives. Arsenal have ONE player unavailable
through Covid, they are taking advantage of the situation to
avoid having to play without their overseas and injured players.
If you look at the statement from the EPL about postponements
it says clubs have to provide proof of injuries and Covid cases,
there is nothing about players called up for international duty.
Yet the statement they put out yesterday about Arsenal not
being able to field a team specifically refers to the players
away at AFCON, they have set a very dangerous precedent here,
and one that is grossly unfair on all those supporters that are
now out of pocket financially.
[/quote]
I don't have so much of a problem with Arsenal taking advantage
of the rules, my problem is with the rules themselves and the
lack of parity when dealing with clubs requests. Leeds were
severely depleted a couple/few weeks ago, including several
covid cases, their request to postpone was refused. The ivory
towers didn't also take into account their injuries at the time,
only the covid cases, yet this week they decide to also take
into account players away at an International tournament,
injuries, suspended players and covid. That is unfair. That's
not down to Arsenal but down to a poor system at the top. They
need to tighten up the rules to close any loopholes, I don't
blame any club exploiting loopholes although disagree with them
doing so, if the rules have loopholes then they will be
exploited. They also need to treat all clubs equally - Leeds
were equally as deserving of a postponement than other clubs who
have been granted them.
[/quote]
What happened to the big six not having influence on the EPL
after the super league fiasco?
#Post#: 42975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 16, 2022, 10:44 am
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> Which I also disagree with the World Cup is a summer
tournament, always has been if the country hosting can’t host it
in the summer then they shouldn’t be allowed to host it simple
as
>
--- End Quote ---
How disrespectful. Not every continent has the same crap
weather as the UK. AFCON is a long established tournament, it's
been held during our UK season time for many years due to the
climate there. A lot of countries/Federations have different
season times as is their right and their choice. Many of those
leagues also have a winter break as well as a summer break. The
PL is not the be all and end all so why should everyone else
change what is right for them just because it doesn't fit in
with the PL?
#Post#: 42976--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: MCPridz
Date: January 16, 2022, 10:49 am
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Ok then if you think I am being disrespectful that way which I
am not then another reason Qatar should not be hosting the World
Cup is there atrocious human rights record, you can’t give a
country a showpiece event of that magnitude with how poor they
treat people
#Post#: 42977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 16, 2022, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: MCPridz link ---
>
> Ok then if you think I am being disrespectful that way which I
am not then another reason Qatar should not be hosting the World
Cup is there atrocious human rights record, you can’t give a
country a showpiece event of that magnitude with how poor they
treat people
>
--- End Quote ---
Well that's an entirely different matter and of course a very
important aspect. But I don't think that specific situation
alters the general point that football is a global game and in
some circumstances January or November is a more appropriate
time to play tournaments than June or July.
#Post#: 42978--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 16, 2022, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: bmb link ---
>
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=3271.msg42962#msg42962
date=1642338061]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42946#msg42946
date=1642291322]
> OF course it should of been postponed, everyone else is
allowed to do it, liverpool even lied to get the first leg
postponed, leicester had players at the darts the day they had a
game off, but because it is arsenal everyone is in uproar over
it's like it is one rule for us and one rule for everyone else,
what failed to be mentioned is we had a massive covid outbreak
opening day of the season but we were forced to play we had no
RB on boxing day against Norwich but we played, this is our
first time requesting it and was rightly cooled off, I didn't
see spurs moaning when they had a massive break over Xmas and
they called Rennes had flown over, I am just hoping us and
Burnley are good to go next week as I am attending that match
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool had loads of positive tests, of which most turned out
to be false positives. Arsenal have ONE player unavailable
through Covid, they are taking advantage of the situation to
avoid having to play without their overseas and injured players.
If you look at the statement from the EPL about postponements
it says clubs have to provide proof of injuries and Covid cases,
there is nothing about players called up for international duty.
Yet the statement they put out yesterday about Arsenal not
being able to field a team specifically refers to the players
away at AFCON, they have set a very dangerous precedent here,
and one that is grossly unfair on all those supporters that are
now out of pocket financially.
[/quote]
I don't have so much of a problem with Arsenal taking advantage
of the rules, my problem is with the rules themselves and the
lack of parity when dealing with clubs requests. Leeds were
severely depleted a couple/few weeks ago, including several
covid cases, their request to postpone was refused. The ivory
towers didn't also take into account their injuries at the time,
only the covid cases, yet this week they decide to also take
into account players away at an International tournament,
injuries, suspended players and covid. That is unfair. That's
not down to Arsenal but down to a poor system at the top. They
need to tighten up the rules to close any loopholes, I don't
blame any club exploiting loopholes although disagree with them
doing so, if the rules have loopholes then they will be
exploited. They also need to treat all clubs equally - Leeds
were equally as deserving of a postponement than other clubs who
have been granted them.
[/quote]
What game are you referring to? I know Leeds had two games
postponed over Christmas. Are you sure that they requested the
game in question be postponed and that they didn't have at least
13 outfield players from their 25 man squad or under 21 players
with first team experience?
#Post#: 42980--------------------------------------------------
Re: Fri 14th – Wed 19th JAN 2022
DIR By: bmb
Date: January 16, 2022, 11:49 am
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=bmb link=topic=3271.msg42966#msg42966
date=1642347206]
> [quote author=rustyref link=topic=3271.msg42962#msg42962
date=1642338061]
> [quote author=MCPridz link=topic=3271.msg42946#msg42946
date=1642291322]
> OF course it should of been postponed, everyone else is
allowed to do it, liverpool even lied to get the first leg
postponed, leicester had players at the darts the day they had a
game off, but because it is arsenal everyone is in uproar over
it's like it is one rule for us and one rule for everyone else,
what failed to be mentioned is we had a massive covid outbreak
opening day of the season but we were forced to play we had no
RB on boxing day against Norwich but we played, this is our
first time requesting it and was rightly cooled off, I didn't
see spurs moaning when they had a massive break over Xmas and
they called Rennes had flown over, I am just hoping us and
Burnley are good to go next week as I am attending that match
>
--- End Quote ---
Liverpool had loads of positive tests, of which most turned out
to be false positives. Arsenal have ONE player unavailable
through Covid, they are taking advantage of the situation to
avoid having to play without their overseas and injured players.
If you look at the statement from the EPL about postponements
it says clubs have to provide proof of injuries and Covid cases,
there is nothing about players called up for international duty.
Yet the statement they put out yesterday about Arsenal not
being able to field a team specifically refers to the players
away at AFCON, they have set a very dangerous precedent here,
and one that is grossly unfair on all those supporters that are
now out of pocket financially.
[/quote]
I don't have so much of a problem with Arsenal taking advantage
of the rules, my problem is with the rules themselves and the
lack of parity when dealing with clubs requests. Leeds were
severely depleted a couple/few weeks ago, including several
covid cases, their request to postpone was refused. The ivory
towers didn't also take into account their injuries at the time,
only the covid cases, yet this week they decide to also take
into account players away at an International tournament,
injuries, suspended players and covid. That is unfair. That's
not down to Arsenal but down to a poor system at the top. They
need to tighten up the rules to close any loopholes, I don't
blame any club exploiting loopholes although disagree with them
doing so, if the rules have loopholes then they will be
exploited. They also need to treat all clubs equally - Leeds
were equally as deserving of a postponement than other clubs who
have been granted them.
[/quote]
What game are you referring to? I know Leeds had two games
postponed over Christmas. Are you sure that they requested the
game in question be postponed and that they didn't have at least
13 outfield players from their 25 man squad or under 21 players
with first team experience?
[/quote]
I'm not sure what the game was. Lots of Leeds fans been piping
up over it so I accept they may not have applied for it to be
off & I might be wrong on them being denied a postponement.
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