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M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: January 10, 2022, 3:11 pm
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Overall I think the correct decision after VAR came in when
Ramsey blocked off Cavani.
McGinn is losing the plot this evening, however Fernandes should
have been in the book by now after numerous fouls.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Guidedog
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:02 pm
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Not one of Oliver’s best evenings. I hate to see a referee
putting his arm on a players shoulder, it looks too matey. A nd
then a player goes to take a corner and stops play to do up his
laces in my book is deliberate time wasting and should be a
caution, but just a minute I think he has already been cautioned
once so better just let him do it.
Still hate VAR ….how long did it take ?
If the goal is to be disallowed because of a block why is every
corner not reviewed for shirt holding and arm pulling ?
And should Shaw not have had a second caution for drawing blood
with his arm or hand on the grounds that he carelessly
endangered the safety of an opponent?
All in all I will stick to lower or non league football without
all the review problems and fifa personality referees, although
we still get our share of FA employed buffoons,
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:09 pm
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"Fifa personality" - not exactly sure what you mean by that but
one thing I can assure you is that Michael Oliver is one of the
most well grounded, approachable people. Confident yes, arrogant
definitely not.
Plus at senior level the FA are not the employers, just this
weekend they are the appointing body.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:12 pm
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Cavani was never going to get anywhere the ball and although the
Villa player was in an offside position he didn’t stop Cavani
playing it.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Comeonref
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:14 pm
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If you see the camera behind the goal. Oliver is looking at the
incident and says no. So how can it be a deliberate error.
Typical home decision for United. Not his best decision
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:17 pm
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Guidedog-- it is so easy to criticise officials, however, if you
want to find fault with the Premeir League and want a good
reason for not watching it, then blame the players! That game
tonight was full of players trying to con the officials by
whatever means possible and there is no directive to sort this
out. They consistently bend the Laws in order to benefit, they
dive around with the slightest touch, they hold their faces when
no contacyt has been made, they consistently place the ball
outside of the quadrant at corners with no part of the ball
overhanging etc.,etc.
Players have always tried to gain advantages, however, it is
ridiculous just how far they are prepared to go these days.
I just hope that this does not spread to the lower divisions,
however, I have seen a few games recently where these bad trends
are coming into the game. Thankfully they do not have to contend
with VAR and the opinion of another human being, the officials
seem to do their job very well in the majority of cases. The
game at the top level is becoming unwatchable.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: ajb95
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:26 pm
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Only saw the second half, but how long did that VAR review take?
Ridiculous. If it was taking that long then it isn’t a clear and
obvious error
Think both Shaw and McGinn were lucky it was a cup game as I
think both would have been off had it been a league game
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Scally Bob
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:34 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Only saw the second half, but how long did that VAR review
take? Ridiculous. If it was taking that long then it isn’t a
clear and obvious error
>
> Think both Shaw and McGinn were lucky it was a cup game as I
think both would have been off had it been a league game
>
--- End Quote ---
The Laws don’t change for different competitions. Shaw should
have been cautioned long before he was either for the reckless
challenge on the touch line or for persistent infringement.
Fernandes should also have been cautioned much earlier.
Michael Oliver is our best referee but I don’t think tonight was
his usual standard.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:35 pm
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I would have to say not Mr Oliver’s finest game, thought he was
far too lenient early in the game.
Mc Ginn was lucky not to receive a yellow card at least as the
red mist came down, well at least it wont come down on the field
next saturday as both he and mr shaw are sitting that one out.
Fernandes yet again seems to get away with everything, fouls,
verbals etc.
With regard to the first disallowed goal it could be argued that
Cavani ran into Ramsey, it could be argued that Cavani Was never
going to get the ball. However the men that matter didnt see it
in those ways, albeit Oliver didnt see the incident initially
and neither did th ar flag.
Three and a half minutes to come to a decision is a long time.
Second disallowed goal clearly offside ings.
If the flailing arm by shaw in the last few minutes is deemed a
yellow card offence a penalty should have resulted too.
All in all my team played well but as they couldnt score a legal
goal, didnt deserve to win.
Not the first time we have left Old Trafford frustrated at
decisions and i am sure we arent the only ones. We did win there
earlier in the season lightening wasnt going to strike twice.
Have said it before on other threads but i like shearer, lineker
and richards am not in favour of the use
Of var unless all games in the same round use var from fair
playing field point of view.
As for the referee placing his arms on a player’s shoulder i am
not in favour.
Players should not touch the referee and vice versa.
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Re: M OLIVER - Man U v Aston Villa
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 10, 2022, 4:40 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> Only saw the second half, but how long did that VAR review
take? Ridiculous. If it was taking that long then it isn’t a
clear and obvious error
>
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That's because there were multiple checks, normally a VAR check
averages a minute, but there were 4 things to check here.
- Was the original pass offside
- Did Watkins touch the ball which would have made Ings offside.
I actually think he might have as the ball seems to deviate
even if slightly
- Did it strike Ings's arm as he scored
- Was there a foul by Ramsey on Cavani as he blocked him off
In the end they went for something completely different, and
that was Ramsey was in an offside position as the cross was made
and interfered with an opponent when he blocked off Cavani. Not
100% sure I agree with their decision as it would only be
offside if he prevented Cavani from playing the ball, and he had
no chance of getting even close to it.
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