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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 3, 2022, 9:51 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> Irrespective of the parties involved surely it is very
dangerous to go down the "he has previous" line.
> Assess every incident on it's individual merits we are told
and he did.
> As stated elsewhere there was dialogue involving 4O AR and VAR
with a unanimous concensus that YC was appropriate
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Do we know it was unanimous? Unless we hear a taped recording of
the conversation between the participants surely all we can know
is that Taylor decided the correct sanction was a caution and
not a sending off. If all the participants were indeed of a
unanimous opinion then in my unequivocal view, they were
unanimously wrong. An opinion shared by Henry Winter writing in
today's Times and the pundits on Match of the Day. Our opinion
though doesn't count materially, only Anthony Taylor's does and
whilst acknowledging his undoubted status, I am 100% convinced
in my own mind that his decision was wrong.
It's an interesting point about the " he has previous" argument.
I have heard many senior referees say that a good knowledge of
players and their behaviours is invaluable in officiating and
drawing distinctions. I don't know if Taylor subscribes to this
view or not. Of course each incident must be judged on its
apparent merits but previous knowledge of previous conducts can,
I think, be legitimately employed in making a correct
interpretation of what has been seen.
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 3, 2022, 10:16 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> Because it was a huge decision for him to make so early in the
game and he was keen to get opinions. Atkinson would have been
able to see the coverage of the incident I believe
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The 4th official absolutely cannot use any pitchside video even
if they have line of sight of one. Also VAR protocol does not
allow the referee and VAR to discuss the incident prior to
making a decision, rather VAR can only become involved after a
decision has been made. So in this case it could only be after
Mane was shown the yellow card.
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: January 3, 2022, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> Irrespective of the parties involved surely it is very
dangerous to go down the "he has previous" line.
> Assess every incident on it's individual merits we are told
and he did.
> As stated elsewhere there was dialogue involving 4O AR and VAR
with a unanimous concensus that YC was appropriate
>
--- End Quote ---
Point taken, but even just judging on individual merits, it
still meets the threshold for a red card Imo.
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 3, 2022, 1:50 pm
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But they do
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 3, 2022, 2:07 pm
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> But they do
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Well they should be pulled up on it then as it isn't allowed and
they aren't using VAR as it is supposed to be used. Which
probably explains why it is such a shambles in this country even
though it works fine elsewhere.
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 4, 2022, 3:35 am
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No argument from me with that
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: January 4, 2022, 3:59 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> No argument from me with that
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The broadcasters can hear what the VAR is saying so I doubt they
would be involved too much in the discussion before a decision
is made.
I think the suggestion PL VAR was very different from elsewhere
a few years ago was valid but I'm less sure now.
(I'm just surprised no one has suggested it was cruel to send
Taylor, not to mention Atkinson and England, all the way down to
London on a Bank Holiday weekend ! :wink )
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 4, 2022, 9:23 am
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Well given the volume of opprobrium received when last I
commented, I decided that discretion trumped valour and kept my
cake hole shut 😉😉
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