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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: January 3, 2022, 5:48 am
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> There was dialogue involving AT, nearest AR, Martin Atkinson
and the VAR team with agreement of it being Reckless rather than
Violent.
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Why were the nearest AR (given he was half the length of a pitch
away from the incident) and Martin Atkinson (he was on the other
side of the pitch) involved in the discussions? Surely the best
people with a view are AT (and even then he was some way from
the incident) and the VAR team. AT has only had one look / one
angle at the incident and there was a Chelsea player close by
him possibly impeding his view.
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 3, 2022, 5:50 am
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--- Quote from: PhiltheRef link ---
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> There was dialogue involving AT, nearest AR, Martin Atkinson
and the VAR team with agreement of it being Reckless rather than
Violent.
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So did they all get it wrong or were they right? Maybe it was a
split decision.
I am sure on other days other decisions would have been made.
I hate people its only after 6 seconds as if that makes a
difference to the decision.
For me red all day long for mane, very lucky boy.
#Post#: 42321--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 3, 2022, 6:56 am
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Dermott on Ref Watch said YC as reckless (surprised?), but the
2 pundits said RC. The 2 pundits on Sky yesterday said RC as
did the 2 on MotD2. All the pundits are former players. Oh, and
Hackett said RC but then some on here prefer to discount his
opinions.
#Post#: 42322--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 3, 2022, 7:21 am
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There seems to be a pattern of recent for referees in the
premier league to issue yellow cards when red card are
warranted, this is a worrying pattern, especially when var is
reluctant to get involved.
Personally i think we should get rid of this perception that
when a referee is called to the screen he is going to
Change his decision automatically. Referees should be called to
the screen if there is an element of doubt and allow the angles
the var gets for the on field referee to decide. Too often var
hides behind the referee and vice versa.
Lastly it is very interesting that most players and ex players
see this as a red card offence but officials dont.
I dont remember so many incidents of this kind in years gone by
or was that just little was shown on tv or are
Players “playing the game differently”?
#Post#: 42323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 3, 2022, 7:45 am
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I imagine most players and ex-players are only too well aware of
the potential damage an elbow or flailing arm to the face can
do, irrespective of whether it's accidental or premeditated.
Incidentally, to be fair to Dermott, he does try and argue his
case with articulated reasons even if we don't always agree with
them.
#Post#: 42324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: January 3, 2022, 7:48 am
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For me it clearly met the threshold of violent conduct and
should have been a Red Card. This wasn't, in my view, Mane just
flailing his arm in a reckless manner, I think he knew perfectly
well where his opponent's head was and he was sending out a
tough message about his physical strength, early on, which was
bordering on intimidation. Red Cards have been shown for less
this season.
I suspect very senior referees are now seen as 'managers of a
spectacle' rather than strict law enforcers and this game was a
most entertaining spectacle with 11 v 11 and refereed,
subsequently, perfectly adequately by Taylor. If football is as
much about entertainment as it is about sport, then perhaps this
is the way to go.
#Post#: 42325--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: RCG
Date: January 3, 2022, 8:21 am
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Bent arm, clenched fist, movement towards the player -
deliberate, malicious and intended to hurt/intimidate
Red card
I agree if ANY doubt here give the ref a chance to see the
angles.
Mount's was probably yellow so VAR unable to intervene
Credit to AT and team for rest of the game, supported a very
good football match
#Post#: 42328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: January 3, 2022, 9:06 am
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Taylor largely reffed the game excellently and contributed to a
great game of football, but I'd err on the side of red card for
Mane, Mane has long history of doing this sort of thing, and
theres no doubt in my mind its intentional, as others have
described above, bent arm, clenched fist etc, made it seem
deliberate to me.
#Post#: 42329--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 3, 2022, 9:39 am
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Irrespective of the parties involved surely it is very dangerous
to go down the "he has previous" line.
Assess every incident on it's individual merits we are told and
he did.
As stated elsewhere there was dialogue involving 4O AR and VAR
with a unanimous concensus that YC was appropriate
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Re: Anthony Taylor Chelsea V Liverpool
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: January 3, 2022, 9:43 am
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Because it was a huge decision for him to make so early in the
game and he was keen to get opinions. Atkinson would have been
able to see the coverage of the incident I believe
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