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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Critics
Date: January 1, 2022, 8:33 am
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I'm just curious why Rodri hasn't been booked for approximately
3 YC offence until he scored. Poor Attwell - not showing any
consistency between the two teams.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: d394829
Date: January 1, 2022, 8:36 am
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After all that, it seems celebrating shirtless and in front of
opposing fans isn't a bookable offence either.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: January 1, 2022, 8:42 am
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--- Quote from: d394829 link ---
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> After all that, it seems celebrating shirtless and in front of
opposing fans isn't a bookable offence either.
>
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I believe he was booked for that.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: d394829
Date: January 1, 2022, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: Hertsref123 link ---
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> [quote author=d394829 link=topic=3230.msg42171#msg42171
date=1641047799]
> After all that, it seems celebrating shirtless and in front of
opposing fans isn't a bookable offence either.
>
--- End Quote ---
I believe he was booked for that.
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Oh, ok, I have just seen on the premier league live page, that
he has been booked, I was following the sky sports commentary
page, which didn't show the booking.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: rustyref
Date: January 1, 2022, 9:01 am
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--- Quote from: Critics link ---
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> I'm just curious why Rodri hasn't been booked for
approximately 3 YC offence until he scored. Poor Attwell - not
showing any consistency between the two teams.
>
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Man City only committed five fouls all game, and two of those
were after the winner. Rodri only made two fouls, hardly
persistent infringement.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Ref Fan
Date: January 1, 2022, 9:04 am
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Even if Attwell didn't see the slight tug on the shirt, VAR
still has to decide whether that was enough for a penalty.
Would it be a 'soft' penalty that seemingly is discouraged
nowadays, and was Siva going down anyway not because of a foul?
Two VAR reviews, both of which decisions could perhaps be
justified but taken together understandably made Arsenal feel
hard done by. Personally, I thought VAR should have not advised
an OFR for the City penalty on the basis there wasn't enough in
it, combined with Silva's apparent simulation. If I heard
right, Peter Walton - before VAR advised the review - didn't
think it was a penalty.
As a neutral, while individual YCs for Arsenal could
individually be justified, the overall outcomes didn't
altogether sit pretty with me. I recall reading in one of the
former referee's autobiographies - may have been Elleray's -
that if a referee senses that one team is getting frustrated and
feeling hard done by, and clocking up YCs after one or two
decisions that might be considered marginal or controversial, it
could be prudent in managing the game to caution a player of the
opposing team for a foul that in a different situation might not
bring a YC. I did wonder whether Attwell might have been wiser
to do something like that today. I'm not talking about evening
things up but perhaps using subjective discretion as to whether
a foul was considered careless or reckless to try and cool
things down. There weren't many admittedly by City but there
was the odd one that maybe he could have used to exercise
control.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Boz
Date: January 1, 2022, 9:06 am
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If I were an Arsenal rather than a City fan, would be feeling
hard done to after that game.
At first glance, I felt the Arsenal penalty shout looked like a
penalty, but the slow motion footage seemed to suggest Ederson
just got to the ball first, though incredibly tight and so think
VAR right to leave it with the referees initial decision.
The one given for City appears to have been on the
recommendation of VAR Mr Gillett. Would be good if the
discussions between onfield referee and VAR could be heard by
spectators as that would resolve speculation as to whether Mr
Attwell had seen the holding of the shirt and didn't deem it
sufficient contact for Silva's fall or hadn't seen it. I wasn't
convinced there was enough.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Critics
Date: January 1, 2022, 9:17 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
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> [quote author=Critics link=topic=3230.msg42170#msg42170
date=1641047605]
> I'm just curious why Rodri hasn't been booked for
approximately 3 YC offence until he scored. Poor Attwell - not
showing any consistency between the two teams.
>
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Man City only committed five fouls all game, and two of those
were after the winner. Rodri only made two fouls, hardly
persistent infringement.
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I'm not talking about persistent infringement. I only find
Rodri's 2 possible YC offences - 39' reckless challenge against
Saka and 63' stop promising attack against Lacazette, so maybe 2
is the correct number.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Claretman
Date: January 1, 2022, 10:04 am
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Personally i thought mr attwell had a fairly decent game today.
The game got heated up as the arsenal players seemed riled at
the perceived injustices, thus causing both teams unnecessarily
Surrounding of the referee i hope this is dealt with by the fa
but i fear not, i leave you to your conclusions as to why it
will probably swept under the carpet.
Penalty call to arsenal, onfield decision no penalty, i guess
attwell was unsure who played the ball and if unsure you dont
give a penalty. I would think from the referees angle, the
direction the ball travelled would lead him
To think that ederson got the ball. With the var i guess
attwell, and it is a guess without hearing the audio, stated
That he thought ederson got ball and i reckon gillett could not
be sure himself from all the camera angles viewed who played the
ball. Again if unsure you cannot give the penalty, and it most
certainly wasnt a clear and obvious error. I am still not 100pct
sure whether it was foul after seeing many replays, it could be
odegard caused the ball to move in the direction it did.
Penalty call to man city, onfield decision no penalty, i reckon
from attwells angle he hadnt got a cat in hells chance of seeing
xhaka pull silvas shirt, xhaka blocked his view with his body
even if no one else did. Silva was going off balance was this
due a foul by xhaka, a shirt pull or was it simulation?
As referees wont give fouls to players who stay on their feet,
then players will go to ground as soon as they feel some
contact.
I would think, but again not being able to hear the audio
between attwell and gillett, that attwell would have told
The var he didnt see the shirt pull. I think here the var has no
option to ask attwell to go to the screen, if seen on the pitch
anywhere else than the box i am sure a free kick would be given
and a yellow card issued.
Attwell has the option to view the replays and tell var he
doesnt consider the shirt pull if he so pleases.
I am sure attwell has viewed a replay before and over ruled var,
think it was chelsea v man utd but i am not 100 pct sure.
Gabriel was stupid, after scuffing up the penalty spot for which
he was rightly cautioned for, ramsdale did the same but got away
with it, he makes a rash challenge moments later pulling back
sterling another cautionable offence resulting in a red card.
Nailed on for me, i hope he gets further punishment for failing
to leaving the field of play immediately.
Rodri was probably lucky not to get a yellow card for the foul,
which resulted in saka receiving the sanction for imploring the
referee to caution rodri. I like the fact saka was cautioned
referees dont do this often enough.
I have no objection to the referee booking both rodri for the
foul and saka for his misdemeanour if he so wishes.
Would rodri have taken his shirt off after scoring if he had
already been booked, one would think not, but then
You wouldnt be surprised.
Arsenal were unlucky, they deserved a draw, decisions didnt go
their way that might have on another day but that is football !!
Var will never eradicate controversial incidents as humans, be
it referees or vars, see things differently as the opinions on
this thread prove.
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Re: S Attwell - Ars v M City
DIR By: Irishref1985
Date: January 1, 2022, 11:05 am
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Not a penalty for Arsenal and in fact if you watch closely, it
was a stamp on the City keeper so a corner was the correct call
as VAR could awarded a free out... The City penalty is as clear
as you get... Gabriel rightly sent off... Decent display from
Stuart Atwell...
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