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red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: bmb
Date: December 22, 2021, 6:27 pm
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Interesting eve for Carlos del Cerro Grande yesterday. Sevilla v
Barcelona
Jules Kounde gets a straight red for throwing the ball at Jordi
Alba's face
HTML https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1473413368174182401
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: December 22, 2021, 6:57 pm
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Simulation, as with Rivaldo at the 2002 World Cup, as the ball
did not hit his face and yet he goes down clutching his face.
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Mikael W
Date: December 22, 2021, 7:59 pm
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He did hit him in the face. Correct decision, throwing the ball
at an opponent with excessive force.
(by the way, the ejection of the player who kicked the ball at
Rivaldo was correct - Ünsal kicked the ball at him with much
more force than was necessary, very obviously having lost his
composure given the game context, he was given a SYC which
easily could have been straight RC; where the Salvadorian AR /
Korean ref messed up was not cautioning Rivaldo for his
ridiculous simulation, it would brake with precedent, but would
have avoided the officials looking like idiots... or would it,
red carding Ünsal anyway... in any case, if they had not royally
messed up the decisive penalty minutes before, these two
otherwise strong officials wouldn't have been in such a
situation as Ünsal-Rivaldo where they couldn't win :))
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: bmb
Date: December 22, 2021, 10:45 pm
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> Simulation, as with Rivaldo at the 2002 World Cup, as the ball
did not hit his face and yet he goes down clutching his face.
>
--- End Quote ---
It certainly did hit him in the face:
HTML https://twitter.com/spanleez/status/1473542020085993472
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Leggy
Date: December 23, 2021, 2:45 am
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Indeed, using the ball in this way is violent conduct.
A million years ago, the (in)famous Wayne Shaw did something
similar in an FA Vase game, although he threw the ball at a
spectator who was disgustingly abusing his mother.
The referee sent him off and the club appealed. The Hampshire
FA, in their infinite wisdom managed to find him not guilty,
despite his admission of the act. They concluded that throwing
the ball was not violent conduct - that is what happens when you
250+ years of wisdom on a three man disciplinary committee!!
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 23, 2021, 3:48 am
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--- Quote from: Mikael W link ---
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> He did hit him in the face. Correct decision, throwing the
ball at an opponent with excessive force.
>
--- End Quote ---
One could argue that throwing the ball at (as opposed to
towards) an opponent (or anyone else) is always done with
excessive force as there is no need to do it at all.
I once saw David Farrell of Peterborough sent off for kicking a
ball at an opponent who was on the ground after a coming
together between them. If memory serves me correctly David Pugh
was the referee.
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Microscopist
Date: December 23, 2021, 5:19 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
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> [quote author=Mikael W link=topic=3203.msg41688#msg41688
date=1640224786]
> He did hit him in the face. Correct decision, throwing the
ball at an opponent with excessive force.
>
--- End Quote ---
One could argue that throwing the ball at (as opposed to
towards) an opponent (or anyone else) is always done with
excessive force as there is no need to do it at all.
I once saw David Farrell of Peterborough sent off for kicking a
ball at an opponent who was on the ground after a coming
together between them. If memory serves me correctly David Pugh
was the referee.
[/quote]
It appears that this season the penalty for kicking the ball
against a prone opponent is a yellow card.
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: December 23, 2021, 7:05 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
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> Simulation, as with Rivaldo at the 2002 World Cup, as the ball
did not hit his face and yet he goes down clutching his face.
>
--- End Quote ---
The level of force is very clearly excessive. It doesn't need
to hit him in the face for it to be VC.
Hitting him in the face lowers the threshold for a VC sanction
in any case. In this instance, the ball is an extension of the
arm (as would a boot etc.) so it would need to be negligible
force for it be a lower sanction.
Alba's reaction was not impressive, but it's one of those "what
were you thinking?" moments, rather than anything else.
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: guest42
Date: December 23, 2021, 9:51 am
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Ray Wilkins was famously sent off in a World Cup Finals for
England after throwing the ball at the referee
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2EplzQ7xA
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Re: red card for throwing the ball in anther players face
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: December 23, 2021, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: BAFRA #217 link ---
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> Ray Wilkins was famously sent off in a World Cup Finals for
England after throwing the ball at the referee
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2EplzQ7xA
>
--- End Quote ---
It's a bit late for a debate about it now but how is that
violent conduct? Utter stupidity certainly but violent? It
looks like dissent to me. Ten minutes in the sin bin at my
level.
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