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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: aaa
Date: December 23, 2021, 6:12 am
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> Now, I am all for equality and seeing more female officials in
the game has been a huge step forward in recent years. However.
I have just looked and please correct me if I am wrong here, but
Rebecca Welch has refereed 5 EFL league games to date and a
small number of Pizza Trophy games. Only one of those games was
in League One.
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> Would a male first year referee be entrusted with a Third
Round game in the FA Cup involving a Championship team and a
high flying League One team? I just simply cannot see the
justification for this appointment at all. Feel free to shoot me
down but it’s not only bizarre, but in my opinion it’s appears
to be purely done for one reason which is totally wrong for all
the other officials on the list. I feel an FA Cup game in this
round is one that should be earned on merit and I simply don’t
feel that five league games can possibly justify that
appointment.
> This is no fault of Rebecca’s of course and I do wish her
well. However I am sure this left a salty taste for other
referees on EFL when this came out today
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You made a great point and well constructed.
I view this subject from two opposing points so let me give you
the other side. Equality and Equity are NOT equal. Yes, the
two words are similar, but the difference between them is
decisive.
While I understand your point that it will leave salty taste for
other Male EFL Referees but let us think about it the other way.
Should all EFL Referees be on equal playing field when it comes
to being appointed on a prestigious match? That is a question
of Equality. But should all EFL Referees (Female - Sole One on
the EFL) get more exposure to ensure that "Female" Referees
across the country view them as Role Model so they could take up
whistle as well? That is a question of Equity.
One could argue that the playing field was sweep under Female's
Referees decades/centuries ago hence only few months ago that it
produced first FL Female Referee.
As I said, you made a very valid point but we all know that
moving up the ladder does not automatically means you were
better than ones that never get a looking.
#Post#: 41716--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Whistleblower
Date: December 23, 2021, 7:26 am
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I see nothing wrong with using profile as a guide to appointing
providing, and it's a massive providing, the performances merit
the appointment. Whether Ms Welch's performances do so, I and
most of us on RTR are unqualified to comment accurately.
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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: December 23, 2021, 3:15 pm
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Not sure why we need Moss on our game at Bristol City…
That would have been a perfect game for an up and coming NL
official to handle… even Bobby Madley would have been a
perfectly good fit.
No surprise Oliver has the prime time Monday evening offerings…
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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Hughesy66
Date: December 24, 2021, 1:56 am
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I understand the point made on equality and equity and again it
was a very well made one. However, Miss Welch has had a high
profile since doing the trial match last season so is very much
in the public recognition. The 3rd Round of the cup is too far
in my opinion though given that she has only been entrusted with
5 league games since August, only one of which was in League
One. I sincerely hope not but this kind of appointment could
well set a referee of little experience at this level up for a
huge fall.
Barrott’s appointment to referee at Stoke for example seems to
me a much more sensible one. Having watched him on the Stockport
game in the last round I think this appointment is earned and
fully justified. This is now I think his second season as an EFL
referee so this feels about right.
#Post#: 41785--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: December 24, 2021, 2:26 am
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I think the fact she’s only refereed 5 league games is a bit of
an unfair point - she has been involved in WSL matches at
weekends, but also Women’s Champions League and International
qualifiers have fallen at times which would effectively rule her
out of some EFL match weeks.
#Post#: 41786--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Hendo
Date: December 24, 2021, 2:33 am
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--- Quote from: TheThingFromLewes link ---
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> Not sure why we need Moss on our game at Bristol City…
>
> That would have been a perfect game for an up and coming NL
official to handle… even Bobby Madley would have been a
perfectly good fit.
>
> No surprise Oliver has the prime time Monday evening
offerings…
>
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By Oliver’s game I presume you mean the clash between a mid
table Midlands team and Manchester’s 3rd rate team? 🤪
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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: PhiltheRef
Date: December 24, 2021, 6:13 am
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My take on Rebecca Welch's appointment is that, so far as
appointments are concerned, Gender should be irrelevant and to
bring it up, no matter how well intentioned, just reinforces the
possibility that an official's gender becomes more of a talking
point than the fixture to which they are appointed.
Rebecca, like many others is a National List Official and
viewed, rightly or otherwise as capable of handling the match.
#Post#: 41820--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Hughesy66
Date: December 24, 2021, 7:19 pm
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Male or female my point stands. Had this have been a first year
male referee having done 5 EFL games and a handful on WSL I
think there would be much more said. As I stated this is nothing
against the referee, I truly hope she has a great game, but
these appointments must be earned on merit whether you are male
or female. The FA Cup 3rd Round should not be used as an FA
advertising campaign for referees.
If this referee continues to officiate the games in WSL and
internationals as stated previously then she could be looking at
10-12 EFL games all season compared to probably 35+ from many
others. Are we saying that would be enough games to justify a
promotion to SG2 as well?
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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: referee12
Date: December 30, 2021, 1:30 pm
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welch and Aspinall for promotion to prem?
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Re: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 7th – Mon 11th
JAN 2022)
DIR By: Hertsref123
Date: December 30, 2021, 2:04 pm
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> welch and Aspinall for promotion to prem?
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They'd have to be promoted to SG2 first.
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