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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: December 21, 2021, 7:49 am
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       If we are wandering a few years back Colin Webster and Mick
       Fletcher I would include
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: dave26
       Date: December 21, 2021, 8:19 am
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       I liked Roger Dilkes , very quiet laidback ref who went about
       his business with the minimum of fuss , others that stick in my
       mind in that regard are , Keith Burge , Steve Dunn , Peter Jones
       then you have the controversial ones like Paul Danson, Mike
       Reed . Love him or hate the best when it came to managing the
       players and big games has to be Graham Poll for me
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: December 21, 2021, 8:38 am
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       And if I may have another go, Tony Ward.   Saw him many times
       over the years and a steady and good referee. He now helps out
       with official hospitality on matchdays at the Emirates Stadium
       and a more pleasant and courteous individual would be hard to
       find.
       #Post#: 41570--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: Ref Fan
       Date: December 21, 2021, 8:45 am
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       --- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
       >
       > One ref I always found to be this type of ref was Neale Barry.
       Don’t remember any really bad games but he did get some really
       good games too.
       > And of course the serial under the radar ref was Lee Probert
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I saw Neale Barry at Old Trafford a few times.  He came across
       as quite laid back, not very demonstrative or a commanding
       figure, and I came away from games not especially impressed but
       not moaning about him either.  Isn't he an Assessor or Observer
       or whatever they call them these days?
       Barry was from Scunthorpe, and another referee from way out east
       I recall from a couple of decades earlier was John Thacker from
       Scarborough.  Again, not someone who made a big impression, good
       or bad.  Of course, we also saw Ray Tinkler from Boston who
       became rather more famous.
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: Ref Watcher
       Date: December 21, 2021, 9:08 am
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       --- Quote from: Ref Fan link ---
       >
       > I saw Neale Barry at Old Trafford a few times.  He came across
       as quite laid back, not very demonstrative or a commanding
       figure, and I came away from games not especially impressed but
       not moaning about him either.  Isn't he an Assessor or Observer
       or whatever they call them these days?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       He was rather more important than that; head of refereeing at
       the FA, if I remember his title correctly, before retiring a
       couple of years ago.  He didn't come across as laid back in
       meetings with referees.  Let's just say he wasn't frightened to
       let you know where he stood on matters under discussion.
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: refump
       Date: December 21, 2021, 9:13 am
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       Another who was laid back was Ian Hemley, I worked with him a
       few times, very quietly spoken off the field, but well respected
       by the players in my opinion
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: December 21, 2021, 10:06 am
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       If we're looking back, John Martin and Dennis Hedges come to
       mind. I always enjoyed lining to them in our Isthmian League
       days and they were always ready to give good advice to us
       youngsters. John Homewood and Tony Oliver were two others. I was
       out with them after they came off the League list, but no hissy
       fits or airs and graces about them, and every match was treated
       as though it was the FA Cup Final.
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: December 21, 2021, 10:36 am
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       Always liked Hemley as an assessor, he liked the way I
       refereed😊
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: nemesis
       Date: December 21, 2021, 1:25 pm
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       --- Quote from: Whistleblower link ---
       >
       > [quote author=nemesis link=topic=3192.msg41558#msg41558
       date=1640091394]
       > [quote author=Whistleblower link=topic=3192.msg41547#msg41547
       date=1640077442]
       > While being confined to barracks, due to a currently
       fashionable cause, I took to pondering why some  senior referees
       attract notice while a lot stay under the radar. Obviously in
       these days every referee on SG1 is going to have a high profile
       because of the saturation coverage of the Premiership. Down in
       Leagues 1 and 2 however I think there are still a few toilers
       who just get on with the job and don't seem to attract too much
       publicity. Among these I would place Rob Lewis. He has been on
       the National List ( or whatever it's called these days ) since
       2005 and yet doesn't seem to have garnered many headlines either
       favourable or unfavourable. I have seen him live once, at an
       evening match at Birmingham City (I must have had a work
       engagement in England's second city)  and so decided to take in
       a match. Lewis's performance was entirely satisfactory and
       rather low key as I recall. Perhaps the low key nature of his
       officiating is the reason he goes under the radar somewhat.
       >
       > Are there other officials whom you would place in this
       category ?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I bet he's not under Pedro Mendes' radar.
       [/quote]
       Presumably alluding to Lewis' career as an AR ?
       [/quote]
       Just a specific part of it !
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       Re: Under the Radar
   DIR By: Ref Fan
       Date: December 21, 2021, 1:39 pm
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       --- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ref Fan link=topic=3192.msg41570#msg41570
       date=1640097909]
       > I saw Neale Barry at Old Trafford a few times.  He came across
       as quite laid back, not very demonstrative or a commanding
       figure, and I came away from games not especially impressed but
       not moaning about him either.  Isn't he an Assessor or Observer
       or whatever they call them these days?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       He was rather more important than that; head of refereeing at
       the FA, if I remember his title correctly, before retiring a
       couple of years ago.  He didn't come across as laid back in
       meetings with referees.  Let's just say he wasn't frightened to
       let you know where he stood on matters under discussion.
       [/quote]
       You're right of course, and I wasn't trying to diminish his
       importance!. But he's also a UEFA Observer I believe.  I'm sure
       I've seen his name, as well as those of Elleray, Riley and
       (Peter) Jones in that role.
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