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Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: December 16, 2021, 2:28 pm
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Thoughts on the Liverpool equaliser?
Should he have stopped the game with a Newcastle player down
with potential head injury?
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: December 16, 2021, 2:31 pm
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Looking again don't think it was a head injury
If a player is injured in the PA should the referee stop the
game, what would be the guidance?
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: magpie1892
Date: December 16, 2021, 3:27 pm
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Down the other end if that was Lascelles fouling Salah they
would have given a penalty
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: Dumbo
Date: December 16, 2021, 4:03 pm
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--- Quote from: magpie1892 link ---
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> Down the other end if that was Lascelles fouling Salah they
would have given a penalty
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So Newcastle should've had a penalty?
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: bmb
Date: December 16, 2021, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: magpie1892 link ---
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> Looking again don't think it was a head injury
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> If a player is injured in the PA should the referee stop the
game, what would be the guidance?
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Only for a head injury or if it was believed to be serious such
as an obvious broken leg/arm kind of thing.
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: Irishref1985
Date: December 16, 2021, 9:53 pm
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Super performance from Mike Dean… all cautions correct and his
decision to allow the equaliser from Liverpool was the correct
one…
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: Leggy
Date: December 17, 2021, 12:49 am
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A referee could be put into an impossible position here.
If the referee is forced to stop play for everything that
appears to be a head injury then it is a short jump to a
situation whereby players will fake a head injury when their
team is in peril.
Conversely, if the referee chooses to let play continue and the
player does have a head injury, he/she will be pilloried.
Once again the powers that be have placed referees in a no-win
situation.
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 17, 2021, 3:19 am
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--- Quote from: Leggy link ---
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> A referee could be put into an impossible position here.
>
> If the referee is forced to stop play for everything that
appears to be a head injury then it is a short jump to a
situation whereby players will fake a head injury when their
team is in peril.
>
> Conversely, if the referee chooses to let play continue and
the player does have a head injury, he/she will be pilloried.
>
> Once again the powers that be have placed referees in a no-win
situation.
>
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Totally agree, however, your last sentence should read "Once
again the powers that be, aided and abetted by many players have
placed referees in a no-win situation."
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: December 17, 2021, 3:20 am
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I agree with Leggy, the referee cannot win here. One could argue
that a player was down holding their head and in the interest of
safety the referee should have stopped play. However when you
look at the replay it looks like nothing serious at all occurred
and certainly there didn't appear to be a head injury so had
Mike Dean blew just before the goal was scored Liverpool would
reasonably have been aggrieved.
This is totally on players for me, if they were more honest then
referees would be confident in stopping play when they went down
holding their heads, as Leggy suggests though there is so much
crying wolf that referees can never be certain what has actually
occurred.
Saying that though - one can never be critical of a referee who
stops play if in doubt for a serious injury. Particularly with
the recent incidents of players collapsing on the pitch.
So in summary I can see how both Newcastle and Mike Dean can
feel a little uncomfortable about this incident. In this
particular case though I think the goal is correctly allowed.
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Re: Liverpool v Newcastle - M Dean
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: December 17, 2021, 4:23 am
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The goal was more certainly correctly allowed, but unlike the
Manchester United goal were De Gea went down, there was
definitely an opportunity to pause the game here before
Liverpool were in a goalscoring position.
Ultimately, these situations are impossible to legislate for
satisfactorily. Fortunately, there wasn't a serious injury here,
but it's well within the realms of possibility that it could
have been (this being an example where an injury can occur,
despite the situation not being in the 'obvious' category).
Strangely, the player who hit the ground harder was the defender
who got back to his feet - and that landing did not look
pleasant. Equally, it would have been interesting to see the
wider view if both defenders had stayed down.
I don't envy Dean's position, and ultimately there was nothing
he could do once play continued.
His positioning for the 3rd Liverpool goal, however, would be
highly inadvisable for an official at any level. It's a great
clip for discussion on decision making and positioning. That
nothing happened here is down to sheer luck rather than by
design. Dean could have easily been skelped with the ball, or
there could have been a handball decision on the Newcastle
defender. In the latter event he would not have been able to
make a decision.
His position was almost borderline blocking the Newcastle
defender(s) ability to play the ball.
Obviously VAR would have been available, but that would not be a
recourse available at lower levels. An excellent clip to help
with education of less experienced officials.
Clip is at 2:29, the later angles really show how awkward this
was.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaLQdOZe1Ow
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