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#Post#: 40742--------------------------------------------------
Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: dave26
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:21 am
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Really not sure why Oliver had disallowed the 2nd Villa goal
surely one hand on the ball does not constitute being in
control. Unless I’m wrong then it’s a very poor decision by
Oliver but if I’m wrong I apologise and good use of VAR
#Post#: 40743--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:24 am
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It was my understanding that if the goalkeeper has his hand on
the ball while it is on the ground he is deemed to be in control
of it? I’m not a soccer referee and wouldn’t be familiar with
the nuance of the law but I wasn’t surprised it was ruled out.
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Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: Carter
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:26 am
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A very much outstretched hand on top of the ball for no more
than a second is deemed in control of the ball.
The game is stuffed.
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Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: rustyref
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:27 am
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100% should be disallowed under current laws, quoted below ...
[i]A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with
the hand(s) when:
• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and
any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any
part of the hands or arms, except if the ball rebounds from the
goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control
of the ball with the hand(s)
#Post#: 40747--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:31 am
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--- Quote from: DublinRef link ---
>
> It was my understanding that if the goalkeeper has his hand on
the ball while it is on the ground he is deemed to be in control
of it? I’m not a soccer referee and wouldn’t be familiar with
the nuance of the law but I wasn’t surprised it was ruled out.
>
--- End Quote ---
Totally correct and it was a correct decision to rule it out.
Without VAR the goal would have stood, however, in these days of
VAR when things can be shown and slowed down, it was obvious
that Schmeichel's hand was on top of the ball, therefore, Ramsey
committed a foul by kicking it, in fact, it could be said that
he endangered an opponent and Michael could have added insult to
injury by issuing a caution. I would have loved to have seen
Villa's reaction then!
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Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: Comeonref
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:32 am
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Another bottled decision by Oliver. There is absolutely no way
he had full control of that ball
#Post#: 40749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:33 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> 100% should be disallowed under current laws, quoted below ...
>
> [i]A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball
with the hand(s) when:
>
> • the ball is between the hands or between the hand and
any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any
part of the hands or arms, except if the ball rebounds from the
goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
>
> • holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
>
> • bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
>
> A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in
control of the ball with the hand(s)
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks rustyref for clarifying, seems very clear then. Almost
like a tight offside, it’s basically a factual decision and they
made the right one
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Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: Ashington46 link ---
>
> [quote author=DublinRef link=topic=3137.msg40743#msg40743
date=1638725064]
> It was my understanding that if the goalkeeper has his hand on
the ball while it is on the ground he is deemed to be in control
of it? I’m not a soccer referee and wouldn’t be familiar with
the nuance of the law but I wasn’t surprised it was ruled out.
>
--- End Quote ---
Totally correct and it was a correct decision to rule it out.
Without VAR the goal would have stood, however, in these days of
VAR when things can be shown and slowed down, it was obvious
that Schmeichel's hand was on top of the ball, therefore, Ramsey
committed a foul by kicking it, in fact, it could be said that
he endangered an opponent and Michael could have added insult to
injury by issuing a caution. I would have loved to have seen
Villa's reaction then!
[/quote]
Thanks Ashington46. I agree - probably a better call by Michael
in terms of game management to not issue a card!
#Post#: 40751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:35 am
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--- Quote from: Comeonref link ---
>
> Another bottled decision by Oliver. There is absolutely no way
he had full control of that ball
>
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We expect better on this forum. This is a fan opinion not based
on Law.
We can debate the veracity or sense of Law, but not its
application when it’s a question of fact. There are subjective
Laws, but this isn’t one of them.
It was correctly disallowed.
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Re: Michael Oliver : Aston Villa vs Leicester
DIR By: dave26
Date: December 5, 2021, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: rustyref link ---
>
> 100% should be disallowed under current laws, quoted below ...
>
> [i]A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball
with the hand(s) when:
>
> • the ball is between the hands or between the hand and
any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any
part of the hands or arms, except if the ball rebounds from the
goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
>
> • holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
>
> • bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
>
> A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in
control of the ball with the hand(s)
>
--- End Quote ---
Second paragraph states except if the ball rebounds from the
goalkeeper or if the goalkeeper makes a save which he did
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