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EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: UmpireIan49
Date: November 20, 2021, 3:57 pm
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The Championship saw some controversial incidents today, two of
which involved Select Group 1 referees.
Sheffield United v Coventry - Michael Salisbury cautioned a
Coventry player for simulation when he seemed to be fouled in
the penalty area.
Hull v Birmingham - Tony Harrington and/or his assistant failed
to spot the ball going a good six to eight inches over the
byline before Hull scored. To everyone’s amazement, the goal was
given.
Swansea v Blackpool - Keith Stroud had three Swansea penalty
appeals to judge, the first two not penalties, the third a
penalty. None given.
Middlesbrough v Millwall - An assistant raised his flag for a
Middlesbrough free kick in the Millwall half , Oliver Langford
overruled him, waved play on whereupon Millwall went down the
other end and scored.
So, some controversial events in the Championship today, Hull
especially grateful there’s no VAR to judge that particular
incident.
Who’d be a referee?
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 20, 2021, 4:10 pm
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Controversy in the championship seems to follow Tony Harrington
around.
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: Mackem ref
Date: November 20, 2021, 6:41 pm
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I’m not sure Harrington can share any of the blame for that one
- it’s 100% an assistant referee decision.
As for Langford….wow!
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: November 22, 2021, 2:52 am
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With regard to the Hull incident, I have some sympathy for
Harrington and his AR, the ball being on the other side of the
goal from the AR and the goal posts and players getting in the
way of a good view of the incident. Did we not have a similar
incident when Hawkeye was available but couldn't tell whether a
good goal had been scored? We often say on RTR that officials
shouldn't guess and here is a case in point. It is a pity that
VAR was not available to clear up a controversial incident
directly leading to a crucial goal in Hull's attempts to get
clear of the relegation area.
Sheffield United - at first sight, I thought Salisbury was
correct to caution for simulation. A different angle and slowing
it down suggested otherwise but Salisbury did not have that
available to him.
Swansea - agree with you re the penalty appeals (Stroud).
Boro - wow, Langford was either brave or foolhardy. My
suggestion is the latter. You don't often see a ref overruling
an AR where the incident was right in front of the AR, and I
have to say I thought Langford was wrong to do so in this
instance.
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: November 22, 2021, 3:15 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> With regard to the Hull incident, I have some sympathy for
Harrington and his AR, the ball being on the other side of the
goal from the AR and the goal posts and players getting in the
way of a good view of the incident. Did we not have a similar
incident when Hawkeye was available but couldn't tell whether a
good goal had been scored? We often say on RTR that officials
shouldn't guess and here is a case in point. It is a pity that
VAR was not available to clear up a controversial incident
directly leading to a crucial goal in Hull's attempts to get
clear of the relegation area.
>
> Sheffield United - at first sight, I thought Salisbury was
correct to caution for simulation. A different angle and slowing
it down suggested otherwise but Salisbury did not have that
available to him.
>
> Swansea - agree with you re the penalty appeals (Stroud).
> Boro - wow, Langford was either brave or foolhardy. My
suggestion is the latter. You don't often see a ref overruling
an AR where the incident was right in front of the AR, and I
have to say I thought Langford was wrong to do so in this
instance.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Hawkeye incident was Aston Villa v Sheffield United in the
covid season which ended up saving villa. (Edited to Fix Quote
Thing-Hertsref123)
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: Leggy
Date: November 22, 2021, 4:22 am
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--- Quote from: Joecphillips link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3073.msg40101#msg40101
date=1637571166]
> With regard to the Hull incident, I have some sympathy for
Harrington and his AR, the ball being on the other side of the
goal from the AR and the goal posts and players getting in the
way of a good view of the incident. Did we not have a similar
incident when Hawkeye was available but couldn't tell whether a
good goal had been scored? We often say on RTR that officials
shouldn't guess and here is a case in point. It is a pity that
VAR was not available to clear up a controversial incident
directly leading to a crucial goal in Hull's attempts to get
clear of the relegation area.
>
> Sheffield United - at first sight, I thought Salisbury was
correct to caution for simulation. A different angle and slowing
it down suggested otherwise but Salisbury did not have that
available to him.
>
> Swansea - agree with you re the penalty appeals (Stroud).
> Boro - wow, Langford was either brave or foolhardy. My
suggestion is the latter. You don't often see a ref overruling
an AR where the incident was right in front of the AR, and I
have to say I thought Langford was wrong to do so in this
instance.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Hawkeye incident was Aston Villa v Sheffield United in the
covid season which ended up saving villa. (Edited to Fix Quote
Thing-Hertsref123)
[/quote]
I can understand players blocking the AR's view, but not the
frame of the goal. The posts and cross-bar should be the same
width as the goal-line, meaning that - when the AR is looking
along the goal-line they represent a single plane line. You
would need to see the ball fully beyond the plane (of goal-line
and goal-frame) to indicate that it was out of play.
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: RefObserver
Date: November 22, 2021, 5:32 am
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Sheffield United v Coventry - For me this is simulation. The
contact is minimal and not enough for a foul to be awarded. The
attacker takes another step before falling to the ground with
his left leg unnaturally behind him.
Hull v Birmingham - If you look the keeper sliding in to block
is the one in the way of the AR. I think it is just "one of
those" where the perfect storm sees an error made. Only
suggestion is could the referee have seen it if he had squeezed
further in towards the goal line - probably given how clear it
was.
Swansea v Blackpool - I agree, one penalty missed.
Middlesbrough v Millwall - Initially I believe the AR is at
fault here for flagging so quickly. Having Comms, the advice
should be just state verbally first that you think it is a foul
then signal if the referee agrees or says nothing. Clearly,
given the half hearted signal, as he goes up the referee is
stating he is happy and does not see a foul. Referee is well
positioned and probably has a better angle so his call for me.
To then over rule is unusual but he is team leader. Would make
for an interesting changing room post match!
Brave or foolish - I can't decide.........
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: ajb95
Date: November 22, 2021, 6:33 am
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At least Ward finally gave a correct penalty decision at Derby
on Sunday! 😅👍
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: DBLTFC
Date: November 24, 2021, 2:58 pm
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As I mentioned earlier in the season, the standard has gone
through the floor it feels this season with each of the
promotions.
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Re: EFL Championship Controversies......
DIR By: Hughesy66
Date: November 24, 2021, 6:36 pm
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It staggers me that we see performances like that of S Barratt
last week who was clearly very good and also the vast experience
of Bobby Madley hanging around in League 1 and 2.
IIRC Madley came off the list for personal reasons which were
well documented, not because of his performances. Surely if they
have brought him back then they should be bringing him into the
Championship fold midway through this season. Perhaps the likes
of Barratt and Craig Hicks (who I rate highly) should join that
list to raise the bar on what is turning out to be a very poor
season for the Championship officials
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