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       Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Timbo
       Date: November 20, 2021, 9:52 am
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       Charlton Athletic 2 Southampton 5 in October 1964 at The Valley.
       The referee takes evasive action as Charlton attack in Division
       2.
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       But who is it ?
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: John Treleven
       Date: November 20, 2021, 10:29 am
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       Les Hamer
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: November 20, 2021, 1:59 pm
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       The long white turn-ups to the socks. So very 1960s! [emoji16]
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Timbo
       Date: November 21, 2021, 8:31 am
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       > Les Hamer
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       I didn't know the answer when posting that question, and your
       response is unexpected. I had not anticipated a Lancashire
       referee turning up in South-East London. How interesting !
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: November 21, 2021, 8:41 am
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       > [quote author=John Treleven link=topic=3070.msg40027#msg40027
       date=1637425783]
       > Les Hamer
       >
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       I didn't know the answer when posting that question, and your
       response is unexpected. I had not anticipated a Lancashire
       referee turning up in South-East London. How interesting !
       [/quote]
       Me neither, but I couldn't think who else it could be. In his
       final season, 1967/8, Les refereed the League Cup Final, Leeds 1
       Arsenal 0. In those days, there was less regard for geography
       than later and I recall a Mr H Richards of Oldham came to
       Selhurst Park to referee a Crystal Palace game in Div 2 , v
       Norwich I believe.
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: November 21, 2021, 8:52 am
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       A look at the Leeds v Arsenal Final on YouTube seems to confirm
       that the diminutive ref at Charlton was Les Hamer. The short
       sleeves gives it away! Labelled the worst final of all time, it
       seemed extraordinary that the Leeds winner was allowed by Les
       after the Leeds No 9 bundled into the Arsenal goalie from a
       corner with his elbow leading. Even by the standards of the day,
       that was a foul and a half!
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Hendo
       Date: November 21, 2021, 9:45 am
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       --- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
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       > A look at the Leeds v Arsenal Final on YouTube seems to
       confirm that the diminutive ref at Charlton was Les Hamer. The
       short sleeves gives it away! Labelled the worst final of all
       time, it seemed extraordinary that the Leeds winner was allowed
       by Les after the Leeds No 9 bundled into the Arsenal goalie from
       a corner with his elbow leading. Even by the standards of the
       day, that was a foul and a half!
       >
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       But I bet it would go to VAR!
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Acme Thunderer
       Date: November 22, 2021, 3:09 am
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       --- Quote from: Hendo link ---
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       > [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3070.msg40070#msg40070
       date=1637506324]
       > A look at the Leeds v Arsenal Final on YouTube seems to
       confirm that the diminutive ref at Charlton was Les Hamer. The
       short sleeves gives it away! Labelled the worst final of all
       time, it seemed extraordinary that the Leeds winner was allowed
       by Les after the Leeds No 9 bundled into the Arsenal goalie from
       a corner with his elbow leading. Even by the standards of the
       day, that was a foul and a half!
       >
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       But I bet it would go to VAR!
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       .....and then be allowed! Harry Gregg and Ray Wood came to mind.
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       Re: Who is the referee ? 
   DIR By: Boris10
       Date: November 26, 2021, 5:25 am
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       It does seem like LJ  Hamer.He was a regular at Northern grounds
       I visited in the '60s.Also,there was usually an imbalance of
       northern referees to midlands/south.I have stated before that on
       one Saturday at this time,every match in the London area ,except
       one[no,I can't remember which!]had a referee from the north.
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