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Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: October 30, 2021, 2:40 pm
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I was hoping for a good performance from Andy Haines and a Crewe
win, as happened when I last saw Andy at Gresty Road in L2 just
before the first lockdown. On both counts, I was disappointed.
OK, Andy got most of the major decisions correct, including the
MKD penalty which was saved. However it was the more mundane
stuff which I found puzzling, and I think most of the fans and
players did as well. Take as an example, a MKD handball between
the half way line and the MKD penalty area. Andy quite correctly
held off blowing his whistle to see what happened next, which
happened to be a promising Crewe attack down the left with a man
over, whereupon Andy blew for the handball. Baffling! At
virtually every free kick, players from both sides surrounded
the ball and Andy did little or nothing to disperse them quickly
to get the game restarted. His insistence on throw-ins and free
kicks being taken from the exact spot harped back to the bad old
days, and meant that both halves were very stop-start, with
rather too much whistle for my liking. At each of the five
goals, Andy moved towards the celebrating players and then
seemed to engage in earnest conversation with them which slowed
the game down even further. It was all very frustrating.
I hoped we might be able to welcome Andy back to Gresty Road
again in L1. After today, I'm not sure this is going to
happen. OK, Andy cannot be blamed for Crewe's abject
performance which leaves them rooted to the foot of L1, but
today's proceedings suggest to me that neither Crewe Alex
nor Andy can have much time left at this level. Sorry Andy, but
I can only speak as I saw it.
#Post#: 39238--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: TVOS
Date: October 31, 2021, 5:27 am
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So no penalties for diving this time?
#Post#: 39240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: October 31, 2021, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: TVOS link ---
>
> So no penalties for diving this time?
>
--- End Quote ---
No, not this time. The MKD penalty was at the far end of the
ground, but although I've not yet seen the Quest highlights,
I think it was correctly awarded, the Crewe goalie appearing to
catch the MKD player as he went round him. Not sure whether a
card was issued, but I think it would have been yellow anyway.
#Post#: 39344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: PDMat Shav
Date: November 1, 2021, 3:02 pm
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I would agree with all comments made about his performance and
would suggest that this may be his last season, he was very
picky regards throw-ins with him allowing MK Dons taking them
from anywhere but insisting Crewe took there's from the correct
place. His performance didn't effect the result as Crewe were
poor.
Its the FA Cup on Saturday with a visit from every bodies
favourite Ref Trevor Kettle, something to look forward to.
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Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 1, 2021, 3:21 pm
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--- Quote from: PDMat Shav link ---
>
> I would agree with all comments made about his performance
and would suggest that this may be his last season, he was very
picky regards throw-ins with him allowing MK Dons taking them
from anywhere but insisting Crewe took there's from the correct
place. His performance didn't effect the result as Crewe were
poor.
> Its the FA Cup on Saturday with a visit from every bodies
favourite Ref Trevor Kettle, something to look forward to.
>
--- End Quote ---
Haines, then Kettle… Alan Young to make it a full house
thereafter? 😜🤪
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Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: November 2, 2021, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: Acme Thunderer link ---
>
> His insistence on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from
the exact spot harped back to the bad old days, and meant that
both halves were very stop-start, with rather too much whistle
for my liking
>
--- End Quote ---
At virtually every game I go to (and most are as a neutral) the
crowd spend most of the game in various states of apoplexy about
throws being taken from the wrong place. At virtually every
game I referee the players spend their time complaining that the
opposition are taking them from the wrong place (or that they
are foul throws for transgressing some other part of the Law
that they can't describe when asked). With this in mind I am
curious as to which stakeholders consider throws being taken
from the right place as being the "bad old old days."
#Post#: 39364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 2, 2021, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3002.msg39215#msg39215
date=1635622810]
> His insistence on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from
the exact spot harped back to the bad old days, and meant that
both halves were very stop-start, with rather too much whistle
for my liking
>
--- End Quote ---
At virtually every game I go to (and most are as a neutral) the
crowd spend most of the game in various states of apoplexy about
throws being taken from the wrong place. At virtually every
game I referee the players spend their time complaining that the
opposition are taking them from the wrong place (or that they
are foul throws for transgressing some other part of the Law
that they can't describe when asked). With this in mind I am
curious as to which stakeholders consider throws being taken
from the right place as being the "bad old old days."
[/quote]
I'm not sure there would be a problem taking the throw from a
point not in front of where it went out if it were to speed up
the restart. Obviously players would not be allowed to backtrack
with the ball. (Before anyone points it out, I know this is not
permissible under current Laws!).
In the "bad old days" referees did not have to spend their whole
time monitoring xxxxxx footballers and were able to cover the
basics.
#Post#: 39374--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: November 2, 2021, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: Ref Watcher link ---
>
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3002.msg39215#msg39215
date=1635622810]
> His insistence on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from
the exact spot harped back to the bad old days, and meant that
both halves were very stop-start, with rather too much whistle
for my liking
>
--- End Quote ---
At virtually every game I go to (and most are as a neutral) the
crowd spend most of the game in various states of apoplexy about
throws being taken from the wrong place. At virtually every
game I referee the players spend their time complaining that the
opposition are taking them from the wrong place (or that they
are foul throws for transgressing some other part of the Law
that they can't describe when asked). With this in mind I am
curious as to which stakeholders consider throws being taken
from the right place as being the "bad old old days."
[/quote]
I take your point Ref Watcher, but in my view, Andy was unduly
harsh on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from the exact
spot and the result was a lot of 'stop-start' in both halves.
The game has undoubtedly quickened up over the years - short
goal kicks and quickly-taken free kicks, goalies getting rid of
the ball quickly and not being able to pick up back passes, less
emphasis on foul throws and corners being exactly in the
quadrant, and so on, and this can only be a good thing for fans
and players alike. However Andy went the other way, hence my
reference back to the 'bad old days'. Nobody wants to see
players taking the p*ss, even with throw-ins, but there has to
be a happy medium and Andy seemed unprepared to accept that on
Saturday.
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Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 3, 2021, 7:12 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=3002.msg39355#msg39355
date=1635851751]
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3002.msg39215#msg39215
date=1635622810]
> His insistence on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from
the exact spot harped back to the bad old days, and meant that
both halves were very stop-start, with rather too much whistle
for my liking
>
--- End Quote ---
At virtually every game I go to (and most are as a neutral) the
crowd spend most of the game in various states of apoplexy about
throws being taken from the wrong place. At virtually every
game I referee the players spend their time complaining that the
opposition are taking them from the wrong place (or that they
are foul throws for transgressing some other part of the Law
that they can't describe when asked). With this in mind I am
curious as to which stakeholders consider throws being taken
from the right place as being the "bad old old days."
[/quote]
I'm not sure there would be a problem taking the throw from a
point not in front of where it went out if it were to speed up
the restart. Obviously players would not be allowed to backtrack
with the ball. (Before anyone points it out, I know this is not
permissible under current Laws!).
In the "bad old days" referees did not have to spend their whole
time monitoring xxxxxx footballers and were able to cover the
basics.
[/quote]
Charlie,
Whilst appreciating the efforts of all the moderators and
understanding the need to avoid questioning the integrity of the
match officials and especially avoid any potentially litigious
content, I am disappointed that you seem to have imposed a
blanket ban on the word "cheat" and derivatives thereof. This is
real 1984 (the bad old days?) stuff.
It is a matter of public record that some footballers cheat and
that this places an unnecessary burden on our match officials.
Some officials even identify it and impose such sanctions as
exist.
It is easy to look at words in isolation and scream libel,
racism or whatever; context is important. I don't think it is
unreasonable to state that the underhand behaviour of
footballers makes it harder for today's officials than their
predecessors. Nor do I think it should be necessary to resort to
presumably acceptable euphemisms to make the point. However if
you wish it to be that way I shall, of course, comply.
best regards,
#Post#: 39400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Andy Haines, Crewe v MK Dons
DIR By: Leggy
Date: November 3, 2021, 8:06 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=nemesis link=topic=3002.msg39364#msg39364
date=1635859152]
> [quote author=Ref Watcher link=topic=3002.msg39355#msg39355
date=1635851751]
> [quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=3002.msg39215#msg39215
date=1635622810]
> His insistence on throw-ins and free kicks being taken from
the exact spot harped back to the bad old days, and meant that
both halves were very stop-start, with rather too much whistle
for my liking
>
--- End Quote ---
At virtually every game I go to (and most are as a neutral) the
crowd spend most of the game in various states of apoplexy about
throws being taken from the wrong place. At virtually every
game I referee the players spend their time complaining that the
opposition are taking them from the wrong place (or that they
are foul throws for transgressing some other part of the Law
that they can't describe when asked). With this in mind I am
curious as to which stakeholders consider throws being taken
from the right place as being the "bad old old days."
[/quote]
I'm not sure there would be a problem taking the throw from a
point not in front of where it went out if it were to speed up
the restart. Obviously players would not be allowed to backtrack
with the ball. (Before anyone points it out, I know this is not
permissible under current Laws!).
In the "bad old days" referees did not have to spend their whole
time monitoring xxxxxx footballers and were able to cover the
basics.
[/quote]
Charlie,
Whilst appreciating the efforts of all the moderators and
understanding the need to avoid questioning the integrity of the
match officials and especially avoid any potentially litigious
content, I am disappointed that you seem to have imposed a
blanket ban on the word "cheat" and derivatives thereof. This is
real 1984 (the bad old days?) stuff.
It is a matter of public record that some footballers cheat and
that this places an unnecessary burden on our match officials.
Some officials even identify it and impose such sanctions as
exist.
It is easy to look at words in isolation and scream libel,
racism or whatever; context is important. I don't think it is
unreasonable to state that the underhand behaviour of
footballers makes it harder for today's officials than their
predecessors. Nor do I think it should be necessary to resort to
presumably acceptable euphemisms to make the point. However if
you wish it to be that way I shall, of course, comply.
best regards,
[/quote]
Indeed. Legal experts will know better than me, but there is a
world of difference between asserting that some members of a
certain profession c***t and stating that player X is a c***t.
The former is a general opinion that libels no-one in particular
and one that can be defended as "fair comment" with a fair
weight of evidence.
The latter is a specific, and personal, allegation.
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