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       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: October 24, 2021, 12:55 am
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       Conveniently forgotten when Sunderland have won, dredged up when
       they lose.
       If, and I havent seen any of it yet, Darren had a "poor" game it
       was due to his decision making on the day and nothing to do with
       some tenuous link to Newcstle.
       #Post#: 38988--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: October 24, 2021, 4:08 am
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       Having seen highlights I can see why Sunderland fans would be
       aggrieved. Definite missed "head butt", decent shout for penalty
       for handball and potential push on Charlton goal.
       My other observation would be that despite previous hassles Mr
       Drysdale does not appear to have temprered his body language or
       facial expressions - the penalty he waved away did so in quite a
       flamboyant/OTT manner and the way he confronted the player who
       attempted to handle the ball on the goal looked very aggressive.
       #Post#: 38992--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: October 24, 2021, 5:28 am
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       --- Quote from: RCG link ---
       >
       > Having seen highlights I can see why Sunderland fans would be
       aggrieved. Definite missed "head butt", decent shout for penalty
       for handball and potential push on Charlton goal.
       > My other observation would be that despite previous hassles Mr
       Drysdale does not appear to have temprered his body language or
       facial expressions - the penalty he waved away did so in quite a
       flamboyant/OTT manner and the way he confronted the player who
       attempted to handle the ball on the goal looked very aggressive.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       At least the headbutt wasn't initiated by DD  ;)
       #Post#: 38994--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: Joecphillips
       Date: October 24, 2021, 6:00 am
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       --- Quote from: RCG link ---
       >
       > Having seen highlights I can see why Sunderland fans would be
       aggrieved. Definite missed "head butt", decent shout for penalty
       for handball and potential push on Charlton goal.
       > My other observation would be that despite previous hassles Mr
       Drysdale does not appear to have temprered his body language or
       facial expressions - the penalty he waved away did so in quite a
       flamboyant/OTT manner and the way he confronted the player who
       attempted to handle the ball on the goal looked very aggressive.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Also confronted others in that manner, messed up the kick off
       and foul detection wasn’t great, gooch doesn’t want to be hugged
       when goalside.
       #Post#: 39029--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: yfc54
       Date: October 24, 2021, 5:22 pm
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       He couldn't even get the kick off right. Went through his
       routine of over the top hand gestures, seemingly waving to
       everybody bar the staff in the food kiosks then blew his
       whistle. As the ball was kicked some of the players went to take
       the knee. It was an absolute farce.
       #Post#: 39034--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: Mackem ref
       Date: October 24, 2021, 6:31 pm
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       All I have seen of the match was the EFL on Quest highlights and
       for me the telling off/altercation with O’Nien seemed rather
       unnecessarily aggressive to me - if he handles it and it goes
       in, give the goal, if not then send him off - no need to tell
       him off for me!
       #Post#: 39043--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: RefObserver
       Date: October 25, 2021, 3:54 am
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       --- Quote from: Mackem ref link ---
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       > All I have seen of the match was the EFL on Quest highlights
       and for me the telling off/altercation with O’Nien seemed rather
       unnecessarily aggressive to me - if he handles it and it goes
       in, give the goal, if not then send him off - no need to tell
       him off for me!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       In actual fact - if he handles it in an attempt to stop a goal
       and is not successful, the correct outcome in law is a mandatory
       caution.
       In going in and having a pop at the player, unfortunately the
       referee has highlighted that he has seen the handball offence
       and failed to apply law correctly.
       #Post#: 39044--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: RCG
       Date: October 25, 2021, 4:29 am
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       Well spotted! I thought that had be retracted in recent years
       but I was wrong.
       The only mitigation would be if the ball was already over the
       line?
       #Post#: 39086--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: yfc54
       Date: October 25, 2021, 3:13 pm
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       From where I was sitting the ball looked as though it was over
       the line. Mr Drysdale certainly took an aggressive approach.
       Shame he hadn't been so keen to clamp down on a few other
       incidents.
       #Post#: 39089--------------------------------------------------
       Re: League One and Two refs
   DIR By: RefObserver
       Date: October 26, 2021, 12:54 am
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       --- Quote from: yfc54 link ---
       >
       > From where I was sitting the ball looked as though it was over
       the line. Mr Drysdale certainly took an aggressive approach.
       Shame he hadn't been so keen to clamp down on a few other
       incidents.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Having viewed this on the FL highlights show, to call this a
       headbutt is a stretch at the very least!
       If you search "Lee Johnson headbutt" on Twitter you will see
       that even most Sunderland fans recognise his protests as a
       tactic by the manager to deflect any blame for the defeat away
       from himself.
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