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Re: Craig Pawson : Arsenal vs Aston Villa
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: October 24, 2021, 5:57 am
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> Yes but how many OFR have there been? And how many have stuck
with their decision. It’s a very small number in a wide pool. As
soon as the ref goes to the monitor, no matter what he sees the
opposite decision will be made
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If VAR is working correctly then there should only be a small
number of instances where it's appropriate for the referee to
stick with their original decision. If the referee is right to
stay with their original decision then VAR was wrong to
recommend an on-field review. I think there were 5 instances
last season in PL where referee stuck with original decison -
Scott in Spurs V Brighton, Marriner in Fulham V Liverpool,
Taylor in Villa V Palace, Kavanagh in Liverpool V Everton, and
Attwell in Chelsea V Man Utd. There might have been others. I
don't remember any so far this season.
The question about time is very interesting. I think play
continued for 45 seconds or so after so if Pawson had given the
penalty at the time there would presumably have been time for
the rebound, so it seems harsh to prevent it just because it's
been given by VAR instead. But play ended right after kick-off
so the extra 45 seconds clearly weren't added. Realistically,
I'm not sure I could imagine a top level referee not allowing a
penalty rebound and it would seem to go against the general
guideline of waiting until the ball is in a neutral area before
ending the half.
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Re: Craig Pawson : Arsenal vs Aston Villa
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: October 24, 2021, 12:26 pm
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Dale Johnson offers a great service with regular commentary on
LotG facts, and intricacies around VAR.
The Law points are often of great value to the layman, but the
VAR points I find helpful since - as of the current moment - I
do not officiate with it.
He has interesting input on the correct penalty process in such
a situation, and according to his summary, the rebound is
acceptable (a point I didn’t want to disagree with any case, but
notable that some believe otherwise).
HTML https://twitter.com/dalejohnsonespn/status/1451642095907790857?s=21
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Re: Craig Pawson : Arsenal vs Aston Villa
DIR By: Ref25
Date: October 26, 2021, 6:06 am
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I think it would be good for IFAB / PGMOL to clarify the point
about the rebound and time allowed. I’m honestly not sure if it
was correct to allow the goal.
I interpret the law as meaning that the setting up and taking of
a penalty kick is not something for which allowance for time
lost is made. It is not in the list of items at Law 7 and it
doesn’t make sense to specifically mention it in Law 14 if it
was already covered by the ‘standard’ things for which there is
‘added time’. Law 7 has a separate point specifically saying a
half must be extended for the taking of a penalty kick, which
implies that you keep the watch running after awarding the kick,
but don’t blow for half/full time if it hasn’t been taken.
So, given that a minimum of 2 minutes of additional time were
indicated and the offence takes place at 46:56, I don’t think it
is unreasonable to assume that the penalty kick would not have
been awarded initially by the referee, set up and taken by
48:00. In that case, time would have been up before the penalty
kick was taken. The proviso for additional time in Law 14 kicks
in and once the penalty is saved, the half time whistle is
blown.
Matters are complicated here by the fact that allowance has to
be made for time lost by a VAR check and we don’t know how much
added time was being played - was it 2:00, 2:59, or somewhere in
between? Was time in fact up but the referee was waiting for the
VAR check to be completed before signalling either half time or
to stop play in a neutral area?
I can see some good points in favour of both allowing and
disallowing the goal, and it is quite a good ‘real world’
example for referees to learn from.
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