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#Post#: 38547--------------------------------------------------
Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Ted Best 2 Date: October 11, 2021, 2:22 pm
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I am look for some help with forenames for the following
referees / officials who were listed in the match programmes as
being fourth / standby officials for European Cup and Cup
Winners� Cup matches:
1991 - M.B. or M.D. Dearing (probably based in the South East of
England)
He is listed in the programme with initials M.B.
However, the following two links have the Initials M.D.
(assuming it is the same person):
HTML http://www.albiontillwedie.co.uk/seasonarchive/results/1988-89/youths/away/arsenalfayc.html
HTML http://thechels.inf
o/wiki/Hampton_1-2_Chelsea_(1989-90_Middlesex_Charity_Cup)
The forename possibly could possibly be Michael if the following
link is the same person:
HTML https://www.worldfootball.net/referee_summary/michael-dearing/
1991 - A. Schneider (London)
Nothing else found
1991 � C. J. Proud (London)
Probably based in Finchley in 1985
HTML https://www.wfchistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/19850501_Wealdstone_v_Fricklry_Ath_Match_Programme.pdf
1991 � J.E. Abbott (London)
Nothing else found
#Post#: 38556--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: John Treleven Date: October 11, 2021, 3:43 pm
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Michael D. Dearing (Wandsworth)
Christopher J. Proud (Finchley)
#Post#: 38560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Leggy Date: October 12, 2021, 12:43 am
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Tony Schneider and John Abbott.
Tony Schneider was based in North London and John Abbott in
Northolt, Middlesex (or thereabouts).
All four were Isthmian League referees and this coincides with
the period whereby the responsibility for appointing fourth
officials rested with the Appointments Secretaries of the (then)
Contributory Leagues. Each League was allocated a quota of
Football League teams and this was one of the Isthmian League's
quota.
#Post#: 38577--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Ted Best 2 Date: October 12, 2021, 8:14 am
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Great work. Many thanks for your help.
#Post#: 38647--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Timbo Date: October 14, 2021, 3:45 am
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[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38560#msg38560
date=1634017412]
Tony Schneider and John Abbott.
Tony Schneider was based in North London and John Abbott in
Northolt, Middlesex (or thereabouts).
All four were Isthmian League referees and this coincides with
the period whereby the responsibility for appointing fourth
officials rested with the Appointments Secretaries of the (then)
Contributory Leagues. Each League was allocated a quota of
Football League teams and this was one of the Isthmian League's
quota.
[/quote]
John Abbott was a FL linesman and, for a good few years,
Honorary Secretary of the Association of Isthmian Football
League Referees and Linesmen (AIFLRL). A very affable guy and
well-liked by his contemporaries.
The Chairman of AIFLRL at this time was Tony Williams, a FL
linesman from High Wycombe.
#Post#: 38649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Leggy Date: October 14, 2021, 3:58 am
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[quote author=Timbo link=topic=2949.msg38647#msg38647
date=1634201126]
[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38560#msg38560
date=1634017412]
Tony Schneider and John Abbott.
Tony Schneider was based in North London and John Abbott in
Northolt, Middlesex (or thereabouts).
All four were Isthmian League referees and this coincides with
the period whereby the responsibility for appointing fourth
officials rested with the Appointments Secretaries of the (then)
Contributory Leagues. Each League was allocated a quota of
Football League teams and this was one of the Isthmian League's
quota.
[/quote]
John Abbott was a FL linesman and, for a good few years,
Honorary Secretary of the Association of Isthmian Football
League Referees and Linesmen (AIFLRL). A very affable guy and
well-liked by his contemporaries.
The Chairman of AIFLRL at this time was Tony Williams, a FL
linesman from High Wycombe.
[/quote]
100% correct - both were extremely likeable well thought of
chaps. AIFLRL Meetings took place at Sea Containers House in
London (Blackfrairs) which is where Tony worked at the time. I
succeeded John Abbott as Honorary Secretary and my very good
mate, Jeff Pettitt succeeded Tony as Chairman.
#Post#: 38667--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Timbo Date: October 15, 2021, 4:50 am
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[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38649#msg38649
date=1634201904]
[quote author=Timbo link=topic=2949.msg38647#msg38647
date=1634201126]
[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38560#msg38560
date=1634017412]
Tony Schneider and John Abbott.
Tony Schneider was based in North London and John Abbott in
Northolt, Middlesex (or thereabouts).
All four were Isthmian League referees and this coincides with
the period whereby the responsibility for appointing fourth
officials rested with the Appointments Secretaries of the (then)
Contributory Leagues. Each League was allocated a quota of
Football League teams and this was one of the Isthmian League's
quota.
[/quote]
John Abbott was a FL linesman and, for a good few years,
Honorary Secretary of the Association of Isthmian Football
League Referees and Linesmen (AIFLRL). A very affable guy and
well-liked by his contemporaries.
The Chairman of AIFLRL at this time was Tony Williams, a FL
linesman from High Wycombe.
[/quote]
100% correct - both were extremely likeable well thought of
chaps. AIFLRL Meetings took place at Sea Containers House in
London (Blackfrairs) which is where Tony worked at the time. I
succeeded John Abbott as Honorary Secretary and my very good
mate, Jeff Pettitt succeeded Tony as Chairman.
[/quote]
I think that executive committee meetings of AIFLRL were held at
Sea Containers House, rather than the far larger members'
meetings. I recall that the latter rotated around the clubs. I
distinctly remember attending meetings at Harrow Borough FC and
at Finchley FC. The latter was pre-merger with Wingate FC and in
a clubhouse that was in need of refurbishment.
Incidentally, Sea Containers House is now an upmarket hotel and
restaurant, having been empty for some time :-
HTML https://www.seacontainerslondon.com/
Happy times !
#Post#: 38669--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Leggy Date: October 15, 2021, 5:27 am
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[quote author=Timbo link=topic=2949.msg38667#msg38667
date=1634291440]
[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38649#msg38649
date=1634201904]
[quote author=Timbo link=topic=2949.msg38647#msg38647
date=1634201126]
[quote author=Leggy link=topic=2949.msg38560#msg38560
date=1634017412]
Tony Schneider and John Abbott.
Tony Schneider was based in North London and John Abbott in
Northolt, Middlesex (or thereabouts).
All four were Isthmian League referees and this coincides with
the period whereby the responsibility for appointing fourth
officials rested with the Appointments Secretaries of the (then)
Contributory Leagues. Each League was allocated a quota of
Football League teams and this was one of the Isthmian League's
quota.
[/quote]
John Abbott was a FL linesman and, for a good few years,
Honorary Secretary of the Association of Isthmian Football
League Referees and Linesmen (AIFLRL). A very affable guy and
well-liked by his contemporaries.
The Chairman of AIFLRL at this time was Tony Williams, a FL
linesman from High Wycombe.
[/quote]
100% correct - both were extremely likeable well thought of
chaps. AIFLRL Meetings took place at Sea Containers House in
London (Blackfrairs) which is where Tony worked at the time. I
succeeded John Abbott as Honorary Secretary and my very good
mate, Jeff Pettitt succeeded Tony as Chairman.
[/quote]
I think that executive committee meetings of AIFLRL were held at
Sea Containers House, rather than the far larger members'
meetings. I recall that the latter rotated around the clubs. I
distinctly remember attending meetings at Harrow Borough FC and
at Finchley FC. The latter was pre-merger with Wingate FC and in
a clubhouse that was in need of refurbishment.
Incidentally, Sea Containers House is now an upmarket hotel and
restaurant, having been empty for some time :-
HTML https://www.seacontainerslondon.com/
Happy times !
[/quote]
You could be right, but some of the members meetings were also
held in the staff canteen in the basement of Sea Containers
House - perhaps later in the 90's? The central London location
was favoured by me as it was only a few minutes from the train
station to get home!
#Post#: 38672--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Acme Thunderer Date: October 15, 2021, 5:58 am
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I was on the Isthmian League in the 1970s when Eddie Bray from
the Hornchurch area was Referees Secretary. I recall attending
1-2 meetings but no more and I cannot recall where they were
held, presumably somewhere in the London area. Refs and lines on
the IL had a green badge which I think I've still got somewhere!
#Post#: 38674--------------------------------------------------
Re: Missing referee's fornames - circa 1991
By: Leggy Date: October 15, 2021, 6:52 am
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[quote author=Acme Thunderer link=topic=2949.msg38672#msg38672
date=1634295487]
I was on the Isthmian League in the 1970s when Eddie Bray from
the Hornchurch area was Referees Secretary. I recall attending
1-2 meetings but no more and I cannot recall where they were
held, presumably somewhere in the London area. Refs and lines on
the IL had a green badge which I think I've still got somewhere!
[/quote]
So we did not overlap, my "term" was from the mid-80s until
2005. I, too, still have the green Isthmian League badge
somewhere and "served" under Ray Parker, Barry Simmons and Dave
Cook as Referees' Secretary.
This was an era when the south-east had much better
representation on the National List - many from the Isthmian
stable. Graham Barber, Paul Taylor, Graham Poll, Andy D'Urso,
Rob Styles, David Crick, Joe Ross, Gary Willard and Steve
Bennett to name just a few
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