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       #Post#: 38215--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: Leggy
       Date: October 4, 2021, 12:57 am
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       This is a classic example of a referee getting into bother by
       trying to "manage the game" as opposed to apply the Laws of the
       Game.
       Milner's foul challenge (whether the whistle had gone or not)
       was a caution every day of every week in every league in every
       country.
       The referee, realising that is was a second yellow card and not
       wanting to "be the story" on a big game has tried to manage his
       way out of it and declined to issue a second caution.  Pep then
       goes crazy (BMB's description of his behaviour is spot on); but
       the referee cannot sanction him because he knows that his
       protestations (wrong that they are) are 100% justified.
       The solution is pretty straightforward - issue the caution.  Two
       wrongs don't make a right, so don't go wrong in the first place.
       #Post#: 38216--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: GingerReferee
       Date: October 4, 2021, 3:52 am
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       Just watched the highlights and I think Paul had an up and down
       game just from the highlights
       Not enough for a pen for me
       But how Milner hasn't been shown a second yellow is beyond me
       And guardiolas response is justified but stupid
       #Post#: 38217--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: Claretman
       Date: October 4, 2021, 4:10 am
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       Tierney in my opinion had a half decent game except for two
       major incidents.
       For me first offence trip by milner outside the box free kick to
       city, yellow or red? Dont think he attempted to play the ball In
       which case is it dogso or was foden going too wide.
       Having stayed on milner should have received a second yellow for
       the challenges on foden, in fact he could have had 2 reds or 3
       yellows.
       Gardiola’s antics are stupid and should be punished but it the
       referee applies the laws of game correctly then he
       Has no reason to act as he did
       #Post#: 38222--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: lincs22
       Date: October 4, 2021, 6:24 am
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       On a separate thread, we have comments about the shortage of
       referees and the action of coaches/players are partially causing
       this.
       So, if they see Managers like Pep doing that on a Sunday (with
       no consequences), they think it is right to do it to a new 15
       year old kid. Standards of behaviour towards referees will only
       improve when the SG1 referees start protecting the game...
       #Post#: 38224--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
       Date: October 4, 2021, 6:30 am
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       --- Quote from: lincs22 link ---
       >
       > On a separate thread, we have comments about the shortage of
       referees and the action of coaches/players are partially causing
       this.
       >
       > So, if they see Managers like Pep doing that on a Sunday (with
       no consequences), they think it is right to do it to a new 15
       year old kid. Standards of behaviour towards referees will only
       improve when the SG1 referees start protecting the game...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       ….and the FA having the balls to sanction HARD on any behaviour
       of this kind.
       Unfortunately they are too weak to do anything.
       #Post#: 38226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: Irishref1985
       Date: October 4, 2021, 6:50 am
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       From a person who was at the game, agreed with Milner as he
       could have been sent off in the first half had he giving the
       foul on Foden which happened out the area. There’s no excuse in
       my view for not giving him a second yellow in the second half,
       but he should have also giving Silva a second yellow for a foul
       on Salah when he got clear down the right. Opted for a word
       instead. To me two critical errors.
       #Post#: 38227--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: Ref Fan
       Date: October 4, 2021, 7:10 am
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       Even Dermot Gallagher could find no reason for Milner not
       getting a second YC.  Not sure if Tierney was trying to 'manage'
       the game and too keen to keep 22 players on the pitch or if he
       just completely misjudged what had happened. He will be
       disappointed but I hope it doesn't affect his confidence.
       Despite 1 clear and 1 arguably poor decision in this game, I do
       think Paul Tierney has a natural air of authority about him,
       perhaps more so than Craig Pawson, although in my view they are
       both good referees.
       I agree Guardiola's reaction was way OTT and he should have been
       disciplined. But in general terms, I do have some sympathy with
       Managers/Coaches
       when their team suffers a rank injustice, which in some
       circumstances could mean relegation, losing out on promotion and
       put their own job in jeopardy.  I do wonder, despite his facial
       expression, whether Mike Dean as 4o offered any input about Pep,
       or for that matter on the Milner foul.
       #Post#: 38229--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: ajb95
       Date: October 4, 2021, 7:32 am
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       Wrong decision or not, there is NO justification for a manager
       to act the way he did! If the FA/PL had any kind of leadership
       they would ban him and give him a large fine but as we all know
       next to nothing will be done!
       #Post#: 38230--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: Whistleblower
       Date: October 4, 2021, 7:41 am
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       --- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
       >
       > Wrong decision or not, there is NO justification for a manager
       to act the way he did! If the FA/PL had any kind of leadership
       they would ban him and give him a large fine but as we all know
       next to nothing will be done!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Part of life is accepting that sometimes injustices are going to
       come your way, usually as a result of error rather than
       malfeasance. It is perfectly proper to complain in an orderly
       way through the proper channels of authority. Throwing a tantrum
       is not acceptable and such puerile behaviour deserves to be
       roundly condemned. No excuses, no justification. The point is
       well made that if we wish to recruit and retrain referees, such
       high profile and public displays of temperament are going to
       find their expression lower down the ranks of coaches and
       managers and therefore the shortage of referees will accelerate
       because very few people will want to be the subject of such a
       barrage, especially if you are the only official present. It can
       be quite frightening.
       Mike Dean's demeanour was exemplary. He remained calm and in
       perfect control but there might as well have been a thought
       bubble above his head showing exactly what he thought of such
       crass and appalling behaviour.
       #Post#: 38231--------------------------------------------------
       Re: P TIERNEY - Liverpool v Man City
   DIR By: DublinRef
       Date: October 4, 2021, 7:59 am
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       It's very clear the PGMOL do not want managers properly
       penalised for their poor behaviour. A missed penalty or a red
       card for DOGSO, VC or SFP will have an effect on a referees
       marks and as a result place on the merit table and I'm lead to
       believe can have an effect on bonuses etc. So there is plenty of
       motivation for referees to make the right calls on the field of
       play. This should extend to managers abusive behaviour, it is
       just another law and should be penalised with a red card the
       exact same as a case of SFP, DOGSO etc.
       Tierney yesterday missed a red card for Milner but he equally
       missed a red card for Guardiola, both should be viewed as KMI
       errors in my opinion but I would be amazed if anyone from the
       PGMOL assessment system will tell Tierney he got it wrong with
       Guardiola yet I expect they will with Milner. A red card is a
       red card, breaking one law over another shouldn't matter.
       I don't buy this argument along the lines of "well if there is a
       mistake made a manager is entitled to a reaction" there are
       plenty of sports (with people every bit as passionate as those
       in football) where managers, in the main,  accept with good
       grace the decisions of referees/officials regardless of how
       correct they are. They can then follow up in the aftermath
       through the proper channels to put forward any complaints they
       may have.
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