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First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: September 29, 2021, 2:54 pm
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Can anyone help with any of these?
1937
1986
1957
1905
1931
1963
1927
1928
1936
1971
1976
1967
1898
1907
1899
1971
1995
1908
1960
1943
1969
1953
1955
1960
1961
1935
1924
1949
1976
1954
1935
1901
1963
1903
1949
1951
1953
1958
1962
1949
1949
1949
1956
1956
1957
1969
1950
1919
1958
1961
1961
1962
1966
1948
1951
1911
1954
1910
1958
1965
1908
1956
1956
1929
1950
1952
1953
1953
1961
1943
1949
1962
1931
1897
1956
1899
1950
1900
1938
1957
1954
1957
1958
1951
1957
1961
1964
1964
1955
1956
1959
1956
1962
1938
1953
1951
1958
1962
1963
1961
1969
1969
1965
1925
1930
1913
1958
1962
1963
1951
1951
1958
1911
1958
1958
1910
1958
1950
1953
1954
1954
1955
1955
1954
1995
1949
1951
1953
1898
1986
1944
1967
1949
1951
1970
1961
1961
1929
1894
1894
1930
1951
1954
1971
1948
1956
1959
1950
1953
1951
1959
1949
1937
1947
1909
1898
1913
1962
1961
1944
1946
1941
1953
1954
1934
1936
1923
1952
1954
1954
1955
1967
1957
1958
1959
1965
1970
1978
1943
1944
1957
1933
1960
1957
1948
1927
1961
1949
1893
1965
1956
1955
1953
1958
1959
1966
1973
1931
1961
1955
1956
1957
#Post#: 38056--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: Ted Best 2
Date: September 30, 2021, 3:43 am
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Some of your Scottish 1960's can be found here
HTML https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/i-spy-old-refs!/missing-forenames-for-scottish-linesmen-officiating-english-clubs-in-europe/msg23542/#msg23542
#Post#: 38063--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: Boris10
Date: September 30, 2021, 5:47 am
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H.Dempsey was frequently called Hughie in the Sunday Post,but
not 100% sure.....
#Post#: 38064--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: JCFC
Date: September 30, 2021, 6:33 am
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I assumed this was Harry Dempsey, briefly a Scottish League
referee, who came from Bishopbriggs, a stop or two along from
Croy.
A.McKenzie suggests the FIFA referee Alistair, who started in
Coatbridge, subsequently moving to Larbert.
Ronnie Gordon also made the referees' list, as did Tom Kellock,
by then of East Kilbride.
#Post#: 38073--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: September 30, 2021, 12:53 pm
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Updated and now sorted by country and date
ENGLAND
1910
1910
1954
1956
1962
SCOTLAND
1898
1899
1901
1908
1913
1919
1927
1928
1929
1930
1931
1936
1948
1949
1949
1949
1949
1951
1951
1951
1951
1951
1951
1953
1953
1954
1954
1955
1955
1957
1957
1957
1958
1958
1958
1958
1958
1958
1959
1959
1960
1960
1961
1961
1961
1961
1962
1962
1962
1963
1965
1965
1965
1966
1967
1967
1969
1969
1969
1969
1970
1970
1971
1971
1976
1976
1978
IRELAND
1893
1894
1894
1897
1898
1898
1899
1900
1903
1905
1907
1908
1909
1911
1911
1913
1924
1925
1929
1930
1931
1934
1935
1935
1936
1937
1938
1941
1943
1943
1943
1944
1944
1944
1946
1947
1948
1948
1949
1949
1949
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1949
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1964
1967
1971
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1986
1995
1995
#Post#: 38077--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: JCFC
Date: September 30, 2021, 2:12 pm
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If memory serves me right, the John Gordon affair came to light
when linesman Rollo Kyle's dad, who I think was said to have
been a referee himself, happened to mention to a footballing
acquaintance how generous the gifts had been. Rollo Kyle (first
name Thomas) was born in 1940. In 1937, one Donald McPhail Kyle
married a Catherine C M Rollo, both events being in Glasgow,
though in different registration districts. Could this be the D
Kyle that appears several times?
#Post#: 38078--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: JCFC
Date: September 30, 2021, 2:29 pm
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JR Grant was presumably the SFL referee,(whom I once saw at
Forfar) whose demotion led to threats of strike action by
referees in the 70s.If I remember aright, he had a stay of
execution, but did not last long thereafter. He was by then
based in Larbert. Records show a John Rennie Grant died in
Larbert aged 75 in 2010 - and his birth was in Kelvingrove,
Glasgow. This may be a coincidence, of course, as the
combination of forenames John R and surname Grant is not that
uncommon, but it would appear to be a very possible match.
#Post#: 38085--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: September 30, 2021, 4:59 pm
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Partick v Aberdeen 3rd Feb 1982
Players wore black armbands
In memory of former referee Donald Kyle
John R. Grant of Larbert
Many references 1966-75
but nothing earlier of him at any other town/city
#Post#: 38103--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: Timbo
Date: October 1, 2021, 9:28 am
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--- Quote from: JCFC link ---
>
> I assumed this was Harry Dempsey, briefly a Scottish League
referee, who came from Bishopbriggs, a stop or two along from
Croy.
>
> A.McKenzie suggests the FIFA referee Alistair, who started in
Coatbridge, subsequently moving to Larbert.
>
> Ronnie Gordon also made the referees' list, as did Tom
Kellock, by then of East Kilbride.
>
--- End Quote ---
Is that the same Harry Dempsey who subsequently relocated to the
Manchester area, maybe Stockport, and became a FL linesman ? If
so, he was later than that. I encountered him after his
relocation but whilst he was still an active official, and that
was in 1984.
#Post#: 38104--------------------------------------------------
Re: First names needed for Inter-League Match Officials
(Eng/Sco/NI/Irl)
DIR By: John Treleven
Date: October 1, 2021, 9:51 am
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Harry Dempsey was a tax inspector in Glasgow whose last match in
Scotland was to referee Motherwell v Falkirk on 28th October
1972
His job took him to Chelmsford where he was listed as an F.L.
linesman in 1973-74
He moved again, to Nottingham, where he is listed for 1980-81 &
1981-82
Possibly he then moved to Stockport and came off the F.L. list
as he not named in 1983-84
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