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Re: Jon Moss
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: September 24, 2021, 10:45 am
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As bmb has illustrated Moss must be fit. I think the issue may
be (certainly we see this in GAA) that there are fitter refs on
the league who surpass the requirements. Likes of Taylor,
Oliver, Pawson etc I’m sure would be able to go beyond the
minimum standard so while we might look at Moss beside them and
think he is unfit, this is, objectively, far from the case.
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: Hendo
Date: September 24, 2021, 4:58 pm
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> I watched the Man United v West Ham game last night and felt
he missed one definite penalty and also a red card. I also felt
he missed a few yellow cards - which I think in almost every
game I watch him officiate. I would also agree that he doesn't
exactly scream enthusiasm and while I'm sure he is very fit I
don't think his positioning at all reflects this.
>
> Saying all that though, I think, ignoring last night, he
generally gets the big calls correct. I think it was Hendo who
made that point and I have to agree, last season I can't recall
very many big mistakes that he made and on the whole he had good
season.
>
> I don't think he will ever be a top referee who buzzes around
the pitch putting in a huge effort to manage players and always
be in the best position etc. However he is now an extremely
experienced EPL referee and I think probably on the whole
deserving of his place - just about!
>
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It was me who said that and I stick by it still. He isn’t the
most mobile or awe inspiring referee but he does his job very
satisfactorily in the main without too much fuss or plaudits. A
good, solid and reliable referee who is definitely deserving of
his place on the PL. I think some posters on this site seem
unable to cut him a bit of slack however well he performs sadly
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: ARF
Date: September 24, 2021, 5:09 pm
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> [quote author=Affy_Moose link=topic=2877.msg37797#msg37797
date=1632480640]
> You cannot simply penalise everything. 'Holding' in and of
itself, is not a foul.
>
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While I sympathise with the view that you can't penalise
everything, your statement that "'Holding' in and of itself, is
not a foul" is contradicted by the Laws of the Game which state:
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the
following offences:
a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their
penalty area)
holds an opponent
impedes an opponent with contact
bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official,
or makes contact with the ball with a held object
[/quote]
However, the LotG glossary would counter your point, as it
states that:
A holding offence occurs only when a player’s contact with an
opponent’s body
or equipment impedes the opponent’s movement
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Re: Jon Moss
DIR By: Mikael W
Date: September 25, 2021, 4:47 am
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--- Quote from: Hendo link ---
>
> It was me who said that and I stick by it still. He
isn’t the most mobile or awe inspiring referee but he does
his job very satisfactorily in the main without too much fuss or
plaudits. A good, solid and reliable referee who is definitely
deserving of his place on the PL. I think some posters on this
site seem unable to cut him a bit of slack however well he
performs sadly.
>
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Exactly. Well said, Hendo.
To be honest, that was why I wrote the detailed analysis on
another thread - it feels like many people immediately disliked
Moss because of his physical profile ("I worked hard on my
fitness and didn't reach the PL!"), and consistently find
reasons to criticise him thereafter, rather than stepping back
and making an objective judgement.
By the way, his movement was absolutely good/fine in his game on
Wednesday. I know many 'skinny' referees who are still stuck in
the centre of the pitch, even at the top level, meanwhile
referees who are less impressive on a physical profile level
(Moreno, Farrugia Cann, Viljanen et al.), are actually top
runners on the FoP.
Of course it is important to look fit - it gives a motivated,
hard-working, dynamic impression - but surely we can agree that
it is more important to actually be fit in the first place!
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