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Jon Moss
DIR By: Mollie123
Date: September 22, 2021, 11:53 pm
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Simple question. Is jon Moss premier league standard.
I think he had a terrible start to the season and looks
uninterested and unfit.
Surely we better referees out there.
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: GingerReferee
Date: September 23, 2021, 3:21 am
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--- Quote from: Mollie123 link ---
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> Simple question. Is jon Moss premier league standard.
> I think he had a terrible start to the season and looks
uninterested and unfit.
> Surely we better referees out there.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, i think he is. a few years back i didn't but he has grown
as a ref and in my eyes as well
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 23, 2021, 3:46 am
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I would say no and he’s had a usual start to the season
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: September 23, 2021, 3:57 am
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I watched the Man United v West Ham game last night and felt he
missed one definite penalty and also a red card. I also felt he
missed a few yellow cards - which I think in almost every game I
watch him officiate. I would also agree that he doesn't exactly
scream enthusiasm and while I'm sure he is very fit I don't
think his positioning at all reflects this.
Saying all that though, I think, ignoring last night, he
generally gets the big calls correct. I think it was Hendo who
made that point and I have to agree, last season I can't recall
very many big mistakes that he made and on the whole he had good
season.
I don't think he will ever be a top referee who buzzes around
the pitch putting in a huge effort to manage players and always
be in the best position etc. However he is now an extremely
experienced EPL referee and I think probably on the whole
deserving of his place - just about!
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 23, 2021, 5:23 am
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It’s interestig dublinref I think you were referring to the
shout against Lingard. Week in week out we see this offence
penalised all over the pitch, but once you get to the penalty
area these offences seem to be ignored. Crazy weird!?
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: DublinRef
Date: September 23, 2021, 5:57 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
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> It’s interestig dublinref I think you were referring to the
shout against Lingard. Week in week out we see this offence
penalised all over the pitch, but once you get to the penalty
area these offences seem to be ignored. Crazy weird!?
>
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I am yes and I agree with you - it is bizarre and I cannot
understand the justification for it. There was a similar one in
one of the games last weekend and VAR didn't intervene. That one
with Lingard seemed extremely clear and Moss was in a good place
to see it I can't for the life of me understand the rationale
for no foul there, it was prolonged holding/pulling, no VAR but
Moss shouldn't have needed it.
More broadly I think VAR should start picking up on these and it
would eradicate it fairly quickly. The clampdown a few seasons
back was not effective partially because referees didn't follow
through but also it is hard to detect. With VAR it should be
easy - what is more clear an obvious a foul than holding
someone's shirt.
My slight suspicion is that it would take VAR too long to review
corners/crosses from set pieces and setting the threshold might
be difficult. Long story short though - I am still surprised
these aren't penalised.
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: Affy_Moose
Date: September 24, 2021, 5:50 am
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--- Quote from: DublinRef link ---
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> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=2877.msg37773#msg37773
date=1632392594]
> It’s interestig dublinref I think you were referring to the
shout against Lingard. Week in week out we see this offence
penalised all over the pitch, but once you get to the penalty
area these offences seem to be ignored. Crazy weird!?
>
--- End Quote ---
I am yes and I agree with you - it is bizarre and I cannot
understand the justification for it. There was a similar one in
one of the games last weekend and VAR didn't intervene. That one
with Lingard seemed extremely clear and Moss was in a good place
to see it I can't for the life of me understand the rationale
for no foul there, it was prolonged holding/pulling, no VAR but
Moss shouldn't have needed it.
More broadly I think VAR should start picking up on these and it
would eradicate it fairly quickly. The clampdown a few seasons
back was not effective partially because referees didn't follow
through but also it is hard to detect. With VAR it should be
easy - what is more clear an obvious a foul than holding
someone's shirt.
My slight suspicion is that it would take VAR too long to review
corners/crosses from set pieces and setting the threshold might
be difficult. Long story short though - I am still surprised
these aren't penalised.
[/quote]
The problem is that there is some degree of holding at every
corner kick and set piece in every game. You cannot simply
penalise everything. 'Holding' in and of itself, is not a foul.
The 'foul' in the PL game West Ham v Man United shouldn't have
been given, and wasn't. If we start pulling up those for
reviews and giving penalties, you will genuinely have half a
dozen in a match.
Moss missed the Lingard pull, but then from his view he
obviously saw it differently.
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Re: Jon Mosa
DIR By: Ref Watcher
Date: September 24, 2021, 7:20 am
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--- Quote from: Affy_Moose link ---
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> You cannot simply penalise everything. 'Holding' in and of
itself, is not a foul.
>
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While I sympathise with the view that you can't penalise
everything, your statement that "'Holding' in and of itself, is
not a foul" is contradicted by the Laws of the Game which state:
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the
following offences:
a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their
penalty area)
holds an opponent
impedes an opponent with contact
bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official,
or makes contact with the ball with a held object
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Re: Jon Moss
DIR By: bmb
Date: September 24, 2021, 8:35 am
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--- Quote from: Mollie123 link ---
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> unfit.
>
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This is the fitness test he will have passed to even be
considered for appointments:
Repeated sprint ability test: 6 x 40m sprints - maximum 6
seconds to do the sprint, max 60 seconds recovery time between
each sprint during which they walk back to the start of the 40m
sprint area. If they fail 1/6 they are given an immediate 7th
sprint, if they fail that, they fail the test.
Interval Test:40 x 75m runs/25m walk (equal to 4,000m) Max 17
seconds per 75m run, max 20 seconds per 25m walk. If they fail
to reach the walking section once they get a warning, twice and
they fail the test.
The time between the end of Test 1 and the start of Test 2
should be 6 to 8 minutes maximum.
Optional Dynamic yoyo test (as in by the PGMOL if they use it
not the referee if it is used): 16 different coloured cones 20m
apart in a set zig zag formation. Set run time between each cone
(can't remember the exact time but it's a matter of seconds)
Level 18-8. Total distance covered 2,040m. Failure to reach cone
in time once is a warning, twice is a fail.
Optional yoyo intermittent test (as in by the PGMOL if they use
it not the referee if it is used): 6 cones A at zero, A-B 5m
apart, B-C 20m apart. Run 20m B-C, turn, Run 20m C-B, walk 5m
B-A, turn walk 5m A-B Level 18-2. Total distance run 1800m.
Failure to reach cone in time once is a warning, twice is a
fail.
Pace for both set by audio file they must keep in pace with.
Then there are the various medical tests on top, including
testing bmi which has to be below a certain number (can't
remember the number)
He obviously passed the tests, fitness & medical, or he would
not be refereeing. At that level the test is repeated 3 or 4
times during the season at St Georges Park during their 2 day
biweekly training to ensure they are maintaining their fitness.
4 years old now but a good indicator.
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Re: Jon Moss
DIR By: rustyref
Date: September 24, 2021, 10:34 am
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As bmb has posted, you most certainly do not pass the PGMOL
fitness test unless you are very fit. I vaguely remember that
the body fat requirement is no more than 18%.
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