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#Post#: 2392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: November 11, 2018, 12:33 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=286.msg2382#msg2382
date=1541935351]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=286.msg2377#msg2377
date=1541929526]
> [quote author=yfc54 link=topic=286.msg2369#msg2369
date=1541894957]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2363#msg2363
date=1541880684]
> First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he
should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes
said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
> All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR
Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident-
baffling!
> What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From
saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear
penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they
would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
> We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this
vein!
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but
the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should
have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey
fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight
after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every
right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading
fake news because between them the officials had an absolute
shocker.
[/quote]
I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what
is required at that level. He should be having a 'holiday'
after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his
suitability to officiate at that level.
With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those
slagging him off actually listened to what he said. Yes, he was
very critical of the officials, but that is understandable,
especially moments after the final whistle. But his real point
was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time
we had it as officials need all the help they can get. He may
have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well.
[/quote]
You're absolutely right about Austin, but it's often a standard
response on here to say something like "Throw the book at him"
instead of listening to what he's actually said.
Any book-throwing should be at Lennard, Hooper and the people
who have elevated him to a position he really isn't good enough
for.
[/quote]
If that was a manager saying those things they would get a fine
and a ban! Yes it was the heat of the moment but no player has
ever reacted like that in a post match interview!
If Watford get that penalty at 1-0 this incident never happens.
Is VAR just an excuse for poor officiating or poor officials?
Hooper shouldn’t be in the PL but it’s basic refereeing that
anyone should be getting right!
[/quote]
What specific comments did you have an issue with? From what
I've seen, I do not see anything that questions the integrity of
the match officials. His main point, expressed in a tone of
frustration, seemed to be that officials needed extra help to
stop them making match-changing errors.
#Post#: 2398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: ajb95
Date: November 11, 2018, 1:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Readingfan link ---
>
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2383#msg2383
date=1541940467]
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=286.msg2382#msg2382
date=1541935351]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=286.msg2377#msg2377
date=1541929526]
> [quote author=yfc54 link=topic=286.msg2369#msg2369
date=1541894957]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2363#msg2363
date=1541880684]
> First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he
should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes
said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
> All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR
Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident-
baffling!
> What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From
saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear
penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they
would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
> We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this
vein!
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but
the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should
have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey
fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight
after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every
right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading
fake news because between them the officials had an absolute
shocker.
[/quote]
I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what
is required at that level. He should be having a 'holiday'
after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his
suitability to officiate at that level.
With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those
slagging him off actually listened to what he said. Yes, he was
very critical of the officials, but that is understandable,
especially moments after the final whistle. But his real point
was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time
we had it as officials need all the help they can get. He may
have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well.
[/quote]
You're absolutely right about Austin, but it's often a standard
response on here to say something like "Throw the book at him"
instead of listening to what he's actually said.
Any book-throwing should be at Lennard, Hooper and the people
who have elevated him to a position he really isn't good enough
for.
[/quote]
If that was a manager saying those things they would get a fine
and a ban! Yes it was the heat of the moment but no player has
ever reacted like that in a post match interview!
If Watford get that penalty at 1-0 this incident never happens.
Is VAR just an excuse for poor officiating or poor officials?
Hooper shouldn’t be in the PL but it’s basic refereeing that
anyone should be getting right!
[/quote]
What specific comments did you have an issue with? From what
I've seen, I do not see anything that questions the integrity of
the match officials. His main point, expressed in a tone of
frustration, seemed to be that officials needed extra help to
stop them making match-changing errors.
[/quote]
So youre ok with the officials being called a joke. "costing us
the game" seems to me as though it is questioning his
integrity?! You might disagree
#Post#: 2399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: Readingfan
Date: November 11, 2018, 1:44 pm
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=286.msg2392#msg2392
date=1541961190]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2383#msg2383
date=1541940467]
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=286.msg2382#msg2382
date=1541935351]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=286.msg2377#msg2377
date=1541929526]
> [quote author=yfc54 link=topic=286.msg2369#msg2369
date=1541894957]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2363#msg2363
date=1541880684]
> First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he
should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes
said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
> All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR
Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident-
baffling!
> What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From
saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear
penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they
would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
> We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this
vein!
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but
the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should
have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey
fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight
after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every
right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading
fake news because between them the officials had an absolute
shocker.
[/quote]
I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what
is required at that level. He should be having a 'holiday'
after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his
suitability to officiate at that level.
With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those
slagging him off actually listened to what he said. Yes, he was
very critical of the officials, but that is understandable,
especially moments after the final whistle. But his real point
was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time
we had it as officials need all the help they can get. He may
have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well.
[/quote]
You're absolutely right about Austin, but it's often a standard
response on here to say something like "Throw the book at him"
instead of listening to what he's actually said.
Any book-throwing should be at Lennard, Hooper and the people
who have elevated him to a position he really isn't good enough
for.
[/quote]
If that was a manager saying those things they would get a fine
and a ban! Yes it was the heat of the moment but no player has
ever reacted like that in a post match interview!
If Watford get that penalty at 1-0 this incident never happens.
Is VAR just an excuse for poor officiating or poor officials?
Hooper shouldn’t be in the PL but it’s basic refereeing that
anyone should be getting right!
[/quote]
What specific comments did you have an issue with? From what
I've seen, I do not see anything that questions the integrity of
the match officials. His main point, expressed in a tone of
frustration, seemed to be that officials needed extra help to
stop them making match-changing errors.
[/quote]
So youre ok with the officials being called a joke. "costing us
the game" seems to me as though it is questioning his
integrity?! You might disagree
[/quote]
As far as I'm aware he said 'it's a joke' which isn't
necessarily directly aimed at the officials - perhaps if he'd
said 'Simon Hooper is a joke' I'd have agreed with you
(obviously not with Austin...)
I don't think the comment about costing them the game is
questioning their integrity personally - it is just saying that
the bad decision contributed to them not winning the game. You
could argue with that based on the fact Watford should have had
a penalty but I don't think it's suggesting any form of possible
bias or lack of even-handedness/professional conduct which to me
is what questioning a referee's integrity is.
#Post#: 2409--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: Boz
Date: November 11, 2018, 4:24 pm
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=Boz link=topic=286.msg2384#msg2384
date=1541943337]
>
> I know am in a minority on here, but now we have professional
referees, they should be required to make themselves available
for interview in the same way as managers and players post
match.
>
--- End Quote ---
Would they be allowed to point out mistakes made by players and
poor tactical moves from the managers ?
[/quote]
An interesting point. Personally, I'd have no problem with it,
but for obvious reasons it could end up making a referee's life
harder. However, if they were able to answer questions about
refereeing issues that cropped up in a game, it could help to
de-mystify things and give a wider understanding of the
difficulties encountered in doing their job.
#Post#: 2412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: rustyref
Date: November 11, 2018, 4:50 pm
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The issue would inevitably be that the media would selectively
edit the interviews to meet their purposes. Also, whilst some
referees are media friendly some are most definitely not, and
then there is the issue that anything they say could be used to
claim "subjudice" for any disciplinary hearings. Not too
dissimilar to the media interviewing a witness to a crime who
then has to give evidence in court, it would almost certainly
rule the evidence inadmissible.
#Post#: 2415--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: guest4
Date: November 11, 2018, 5:22 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Readingfan link=topic=286.msg2392#msg2392
date=1541961190]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2383#msg2383
date=1541940467]
> [quote author=TVOS link=topic=286.msg2382#msg2382
date=1541935351]
> [quote author=LateTackle link=topic=286.msg2377#msg2377
date=1541929526]
> [quote author=yfc54 link=topic=286.msg2369#msg2369
date=1541894957]
> [quote author=ajb95 link=topic=286.msg2363#msg2363
date=1541880684]
> First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he
should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes
said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
> All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR
Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident-
baffling!
> What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From
saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear
penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they
would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
> We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this
vein!
>
--- End Quote ---
I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but
the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should
have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey
fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight
after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every
right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading
fake news because between them the officials had an absolute
shocker.
[/quote]
I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what
is required at that level. He should be having a 'holiday'
after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his
suitability to officiate at that level.
With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those
slagging him off actually listened to what he said. Yes, he was
very critical of the officials, but that is understandable,
especially moments after the final whistle. But his real point
was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time
we had it as officials need all the help they can get. He may
have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well.
[/quote]
You're absolutely right about Austin, but it's often a standard
response on here to say something like "Throw the book at him"
instead of listening to what he's actually said.
Any book-throwing should be at Lennard, Hooper and the people
who have elevated him to a position he really isn't good enough
for.
[/quote]
If that was a manager saying those things they would get a fine
and a ban! Yes it was the heat of the moment but no player has
ever reacted like that in a post match interview!
If Watford get that penalty at 1-0 this incident never happens.
Is VAR just an excuse for poor officiating or poor officials?
Hooper shouldn’t be in the PL but it’s basic refereeing that
anyone should be getting right!
[/quote]
What specific comments did you have an issue with? From what
I've seen, I do not see anything that questions the integrity of
the match officials. His main point, expressed in a tone of
frustration, seemed to be that officials needed extra help to
stop them making match-changing errors.
[/quote]
So youre ok with the officials being called a joke. "costing us
the game" seems to me as though it is questioning his
integrity?! You might disagree
[/quote]
What exactly has Charlie Austin done?
He dared get emotional and angry at an incorrect decision that
cost him and his team a goal and a possible 3 points .
He never swore , he never questioned the referees integrity he
was just very angry (unsurprisingly) called the decision a joke
(which it was ) and said the officials cost his team 3 points (
which is nearly right as it definitely cost his team a chance of
3 points.) if Austin is charged I think it would be a travesty.
#Post#: 2418--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: lincs22
Date: November 12, 2018, 2:52 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
>
> On the plus side, wonderful campaigning for VAR from the
wretched Hooper.
>
--- End Quote ---
What the players and managers keep forgetting, it was their
bosses (the clubs) that voted to delay VAR for a season - they
didn't think it was well enough advanced to perform with their
required level of accuracy.
Additionally, if VAR is to be used, that means another 6/7
suitable standard levels not being able to referee. Would this
the recently retired? or SG2 referees (less experienced that the
referee in the middle) doing the role? They woudl also not be
refereeing, so EFL is using less experienced referees - so the
problem is just moved down a level.
On the point of referees talking to the media - if they received
the same media training and remuneration as the managers (say
£1.5M pa), then I would say yes. As it stands - NO. Do the club
put up players to ask them with they missed a penalty / open
goal ? - NO
As a first step , the Brighton player (Dale Stephens) should do
a media interview on why he did that challenge. If the players
have to explain their mistakes, then perhaps the referees should
as well.
#Post#: 2421--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: November 12, 2018, 3:39 am
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Austin's interview set to rap music on Breakfast TV, really
rather amusing ;D
#Post#: 2422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: nemesis
Date: November 12, 2018, 3:42 am
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--- Quote from: Plym-Nick link ---
>
>
> What exactly has Charlie Austin done?
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Re-invigorated his waning career. People have heard of him
again.
Seriously, you're right. Other than his mathematical oversight
(the joke decision probably cost them two points) it's difficult
to fault what he said.
#Post#: 2470--------------------------------------------------
Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
DIR By: Acme Thunderer
Date: November 13, 2018, 3:25 am
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According to the Times, VAR could be agreed for next season at a
meeting (which will include a presentation by PGMOL) this
Thursday. The case of Austin and Hooper has been cited.
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