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#Post#: 37366--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: Jackinthebox
Date: September 13, 2021, 12:02 pm
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First of all Best wishes to Harvey Elliot and hopefully he's
back playing sooner rather than later.
Looking at the replies it looks like I'm going to be in the
minority here, Is it a foul? Possibly. Is it a YC? Debatable but
I certainly don't think its SFP so no red card for me.
In commentary Martin Tyler said Craig was always going to give a
RC, I find that hard to belive because he didn't even blow for a
foul.
Very similar to the Son challenge on Andre Gomes last year,
certainly no intent and not SFP just an unfortunate incident
where the player on the receiving end has suffered a serious
injury. If Leeds do appeal tge decison I think there's a very
good chance of it being overturned.
#Post#: 37389--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: ajb95
Date: September 13, 2021, 4:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Jackinthebox link ---
>
> First of all Best wishes to Harvey Elliot and hopefully he's
back playing sooner rather than later.
> Looking at the replies it looks like I'm going to be in the
minority here, Is it a foul? Possibly. Is it a YC? Debatable but
I certainly don't think its SFP so no red card for me.
> In commentary Martin Tyler said Craig was always going to give
a RC, I find that hard to belive because he didn't even blow for
a foul.
> Very similar to the Son challenge on Andre Gomes last year,
certainly no intent and not SFP just an unfortunate incident
where the player on the receiving end has suffered a serious
injury. If Leeds do appeal tge decison I think there's a very
good chance of it being overturned.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don’t know how anyone could say this is anything other than a
red card. I love a tackle as much as the next man, but it’s a
scissor challenge from behind onto the guy’s ankle. It’s not
like he has played the ball and accidentally caught the man.
Intent- probably not but clear red card whether Craig was going
to give it or not or relied on VAR; or 4th official. Correct
decision was made
#Post#: 37393--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: bruntyboy
Date: September 13, 2021, 7:29 pm
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On the basis that he wasn't going to award a free kick in the
first place (as play continued) why didn't he go to the monitor
to check before deciding it was a RC?
#Post#: 37395--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: ARF
Date: September 14, 2021, 2:15 am
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--- Quote from: bruntyboy link ---
>
> On the basis that he wasn't going to award a free kick in the
first place (as play continued) why didn't he go to the monitor
to check before deciding it was a RC?
>
--- End Quote ---
Presuming that the fourth official has told him it's a red. If
he leaves it to VAR to check then he would get marked down for a
missed KMD.
#Post#: 37396--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: nemesis
Date: September 14, 2021, 2:20 am
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--- Quote from: ARF link ---
>
> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=2840.msg37393#msg37393
date=1631579371]
> On the basis that he wasn't going to award a free kick in the
first place (as play continued) why didn't he go to the monitor
to check before deciding it was a RC?
>
--- End Quote ---
Presuming that the fourth official has told him it's a red. If
he leaves it to VAR to check then he would get marked down for a
missed KMD.
[/quote]
I hope you're not saying he was more concerned with his marks
than getting the right decision ?
#Post#: 37409--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: Joecphillips
Date: September 14, 2021, 6:15 am
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--- Quote from: ajb95 link ---
>
> [quote author=Jackinthebox link=topic=2840.msg37366#msg37366
date=1631552567]
> First of all Best wishes to Harvey Elliot and hopefully he's
back playing sooner rather than later.
> Looking at the replies it looks like I'm going to be in the
minority here, Is it a foul? Possibly. Is it a YC? Debatable but
I certainly don't think its SFP so no red card for me.
> In commentary Martin Tyler said Craig was always going to give
a RC, I find that hard to belive because he didn't even blow for
a foul.
> Very similar to the Son challenge on Andre Gomes last year,
certainly no intent and not SFP just an unfortunate incident
where the player on the receiving end has suffered a serious
injury. If Leeds do appeal tge decison I think there's a very
good chance of it being overturned.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don’t know how anyone could say this is anything other than a
red card. I love a tackle as much as the next man, but it’s a
scissor challenge from behind onto the guy’s ankle. It’s not
like he has played the ball and accidentally caught the man.
Intent- probably not but clear red card whether Craig was going
to give it or not or relied on VAR; or 4th official. Correct
decision was made
[/quote]
There’s been similar and worse challenges unpunished as it
didn’t result in injuries including last night the difference
being no injury, if it wasn’t for the result it would have been
a yellow at most
#Post#: 37411--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: sastley
Date: September 14, 2021, 6:31 am
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Harvey Elliott on twitter yesterday. "Wasn't his fault
whatsover! Neither was it a red card just a freak accident but
these things happen in football."
The tackle by Brownlea last night was just as bad but only a
free kick no card. Where is the consistency? It appears that if
there is a bad injury it's a red card, but with no serious
injury not even a card for similar tackles, This cannot be
right. Confusing.
#Post#: 37415--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: Ashington46
Date: September 14, 2021, 7:44 am
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It was Brownhill who made the tackle and won the ball, however,
Richarlisson was in his usual multi-sulk mood and did his best
to convince everyone that he was really badly injured.
Fear not, we are not far away from every contact being penalised
one way or another.
We have been having a slight respite recently which has been
most welcome, however, those running the game, the PL elite,
will soon get together and things will start to go backwards
again. I wish that I was wrong,
however..................................
#Post#: 37457--------------------------------------------------
Re: C PAWSON - Leeds v Liverpool
DIR By: ARF
Date: September 15, 2021, 3:57 am
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--- Quote from: nemesis link ---
>
> [quote author=ARF link=topic=2840.msg37395#msg37395
date=1631603704]
> [quote author=bruntyboy link=topic=2840.msg37393#msg37393
date=1631579371]
> On the basis that he wasn't going to award a free kick in the
first place (as play continued) why didn't he go to the monitor
to check before deciding it was a RC?
>
--- End Quote ---
Presuming that the fourth official has told him it's a red. If
he leaves it to VAR to check then he would get marked down for a
missed KMD.
[/quote]
I hope you're not saying he was more concerned with his marks
than getting the right decision ?
[/quote]
No, I'm saying that if it's left to VAR to check and turns out
to be a red then he would get marked down for a missed KMD.
Which is a moot point as one of the officials has correctly
informed the referee that it was a sending off offence with no
VAR involvement necessary.
Of course, after having gone red before VAR looked at it, if it
had subsequently turn out to be the wrong decision then he'd
also have been marked down for it. Making your comment about
worrying about his mark redundant.
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