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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: TheThingFromLewes
Date: November 10, 2018, 12:56 pm
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Hackett pouring his thoughts out once again.... he refers to the
Ashby/Fowler debacle.
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Re: Viktor Kassai M/C City v Shakhtar
DIR By: bmb
Date: November 10, 2018, 10:05 pm
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This: Kassai, who is one of the best refs around, singularly
failed to do this yesterday. His vision of the incident was
impeded by players in front of him, and then he did something
that referees are told never to do: he guessed.
When he realised he didn't have a good enough view he should
have consulted the rest of his team. But then the official stood
behind the goal is a waste of time and this underlines that.
While he's not allowed to make a signal visually, he has got a
communication link and I'm amazed he couldn't help the referee
here.
When you're operating with additional assistant referees, you're
looking for the official behind the goal to step up. But between
him and the referee they made a complete mess of it.
I agree with the 1st 9 words but he has that completely wrong
about the AAR because Bognár was quite clearly shown on the
replay speaking into his comms and pointing to the spot with his
baton so he does make a visual signal & either backs up Kassai's
decision or is the one who actually called it!!! I believe it to
be the latter due to the fact that he makes the signal - he
wouldn't need to if he was just backing up Kassai and saying
yeah mate you called it right. As we all know I watch the NB1
obsessively, where they use AAR's as a matter of course and they
always use signals with the baton. When the ball goes over the
line, not between the goal posts obviously, they either point to
the corner flag or towards the goal depending on whether they
are saying corner or goal kick and if they have seen something
that the ref hasn't or they are in a better position to judge
and either call a pen, when they point towards the pen spot or a
defensive free kick where they point towards the goalie. It's
not a huge signal like you see from the AR sticking his flag up,
their arm stays still and it's a flick of the wrist movement. It
happens in every game, every week in their domestic league. I
first noticed it when Solymosi Péter [emoji7] (bmb's fav NB1
ref) was AAR in a match maybe 2/3 seasons ago and saw him
signalling a couple of times and it threw me as to why, I
wondered at the time if the comms had gone down so he was
signaling as there were no comms in use, so the next few games I
watched the AARs a bit more and noticed they all do it, it's
standard practice there. I saw it happen a dozen or more times
today from various AAR's across the 5 games that I watched. As
soon as I was able to see the replays I've been of the firm
belief that it was Bognár that called it, not Kassai. The fact
Bognár did make the signal has been noted in the Hungarian
press, who of course are used to AAR's using signals and the
general consensus is that it was him who made the call & has let
Kassai down, like Vad did in the Euros 2012 & a lot of surprise
was expressed that Bognár was on a game this weekend (as AAR)
but Kassai wasn't because as I say the consensus in Hungary is
that Kassai was not the one who called it. Bear in mind with
that also the fact that one of the media outlets defending
Kassai and putting the blame at Bognár door is one who have a
historical dislike of Kassai and take any opportunity they can
to have a swipe at him & they are actively defending him on this
call. I'm anti betting personally, but I would lay money on if
an audio recording was played of the comms at the time, Bognár
will be heard saying "büntetőrúgás" or "büntetőrúgó"
(penalty kick) or a shortened version of that, büntető or
büntetés. I haven't yet worked out which the grammatically
correct version is and when a penalty has been scored it just
shows as (bü) after the scorers name. Kassai of course would
take the blame either way, as he did with the Vad error in 2012,
his view is that as team leader he is responsible for every call
whether made directly by him or indirectly via one of his team.
He'd never hang one of his team out to dry like that & I've
personally had the conversation with him over Vad's error & no
matter how many times he was asked and in how many different
ways his response was the same, "I was the referee, I am
responsible for any decision made" so I know he would say
exactly the same here if asked.
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